N1 Shift Drum?

mittens

Well-Known Member
So has anyone installed N1 shift drum, to there dog?

Think it would be usefull, and something neat to do while inside the trans.

wish I could find one cheaper then 300 bucks though.

Makes the Baker 6 speed go from (1-N-2-3-4-5-6) to (N-1-2-3-4-5-6) Netraul all the way down...


anyone else done it?

 
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BWG56

Guru
I don't think I would like N all the way down. Down shifting in a hurry to slow down and going into neutral could get interesting.
 

mittens

Well-Known Member
Well I have had bikes like this before, not a street bike though. But from what i have read people like it. and from my other riding I see no issues with it. but damn 270 is the cheapest i can find the part.
 

woodbutcher

Mr. Old Fart member #145
Staff member
Well I have had bikes like this before, not a street bike though. But from what i have read people like it. and from my other riding I see no issues with it. but damn 270 is the cheapest i can find the part.
just better know it's what you want before you buy/install that thing. once installie, no returnie.
 

francoblay1

The Spaniard
Why is neutral between first and second gear on motorcycles?

"Actually, there is a specific reason why neutral ended up between first and second gear when motorcycle controls were standardized in 1975: SAFETY.

"In the 60s and 70s, there was a growing trend toward placing neutral below first gear. My nephew, for example, had a Kawasaki 100 with a '4 up' shift pattern (N,1,2,3,4). As this shift pattern gained popularity, more and more motorcyclists were developing the tendency to instictively shift the bike all the way down into neutral as they slowed, sometimes accidentally, but most times intentionally. The idea was that you could stay in neutral at a light or stop sign, then clutch into gear and start rolling again when right-of-way was established. The habit was obviously flawed, and riders started getting hurt.

"The vast majority of injuries were caused when a bike was inadvertently upshifted from neutral into first gear at a fast coast. The resultant engine breaking caused instant rear wheel lockups, which in turn caused crashes. The mechanical aspects of neutral's location also caused various runability and logistical problems, as well.

"By locating neutral between first and second gears, the severity of engine breaking in the event of accidental upshift was reduced, as well as making neutral a relative inconvenience, rather than something riders depended on. It also made first gear the natural first position in the gear box, which is where the transmission should be adjusted whenever the bike is stopped in traffic anyway."

And here's another answer from "Fish":

"Neutral is in its odd location because that's where it makes the most sense to locate it. On a bike, you rarely need to be in neutral: you've a clutch, which is your primary method of disconnecting the engine from the transmission.

"Indeed, you could go completely without a neutral gear, if you could stand the monotony of holding the clutch as the bike warms up, and turning off the bike whenever you got more than an arm's-reach distance from it.

"First gear, however, is extremely useful. It's great for starting in. And it's great for stopping in. It's really good for driving slowly, too. So it's at the bottom: as you approach a stoplight, you start to brake, and you tap your gears down to match your speed. If the light goes green before you get there, you're ready to rocket. If it's red, you keep the clutch in, and remain in first gear, ready to rocket. You never do go into neutral when you stop. As you leave the stoplight, you tap your gears up to match your speed. You never do go into neutral when you accelerate.

"Now, imagine the situation if neutral were located at the bottom: you start slowing for the light. You begin tapping down. You're almost stopped, you tap into neutral, the light goes green, you rev the gas, and you tip over because you're out of gear. The asshole behind you runs you over as your engine shoots a piston through your groin. Damn, that sucks.

"As it's absurd to place neutral between 2nd and 3rd, or any of the higher gears, no example needed."

:cheers:
 

mittens

Well-Known Member
So its basically put in between 1 and 2 for dumb people.... I don't plan to accadetly shift to first and dump the clutch... hell it happens more-often when you THINK your in N and your not.

and I find N at red lights with the way it is... so I don't sit there with the clutch pulled anyway.
 

francoblay1

The Spaniard
So its basically put in between 1 and 2 for dumb people.... I don't plan to accadetly shift to first and dump the clutch... hell it happens more-often when you THINK your in N and your not.

and I find N at red lights with the way it is... so I don't sit there with the clutch pulled anyway.
You should never sit at a red light or at stop sign on Neutral.... One day you might need to get out of the way in a real hurry..... :eek:
 

mittens

Well-Known Member
You should never sit at a red light or at stop sign on Neutral.... One day you might need to get out of the way in a real hurry..... :eek:
Probably so, but that does not change the fact that I do it. and want a N1 Drum.

Guess its not a very popular idea.

think the stock drum could be sold to offset the cost or are they so common its not worth much.
 

RCAdd1ct

JAFO
I have a baker OD6 in the SG.

It has the N1 pattern and I love it.

I want one for the AIH chopper, but it is not baker so no dice.
 

Little-Boo

Well-Known Member
Troop Supporter
Here you go less than $300

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Baker-5-speed-Shifter-Drum-2-5R-N1/dp/B0022YI4NM#customerReviews]Amazon.com: Baker N1 5-speed Shifter Drum 2-5R-N1: Automotive[/ame]

Carlos :2thumbs:
 

Viking

Biker
If that fits you, go for it ! My sister uses upside down shifting and I hate it, make it personal and enjoy it.
 

cdogg556

Guru
I gotta agree with franco and Ker on this one, seems like a odd place for neutral, when I get to a light I also put in neutral, it's not hard to find since the green "N" lights up when you in neutral, but I guess it comes down to whatever you like!:cheers:
 

Little-Boo

Well-Known Member
Troop Supporter
Well I still have my EFM Automatic Clutch and I never have to look for natural. If I am in 2nd gear or still in first I just give it the gas and it takes off real nice. I had problems at first with this clutch, minor adjustments and advise from, Garry at EFM has taken care of my issues. :2thumbs:

Carlos :D
 

francoblay1

The Spaniard
Well I still have my EFM Automatic Clutch and I never have to look for natural. If I am in 2nd gear or still in first I just give it the gas and it takes off real nice. I had problems at first with this clutch, minor adjustments and advise from, Garry at EFM has taken care of my issues. :2thumbs:

Carlos :D
It is Natural!!!! :D :2thumbs:

:cheers:
 

RCAdd1ct

JAFO
Well I still have my EFM Automatic Clutch and I never have to look for natural. If I am in 2nd gear or still in first I just give it the gas and it takes off real nice. I had problems at first with this clutch, minor adjustments and advise from, Garry at EFM has taken care of my issues. :2thumbs:

Carlos :D
One of the reasons I wanted it for my chopper.
 

bearman

Active Member
I love my LFM clutch. Even more after I got it adjusted correctly (and got the correct length clutch cable), but I still find a need for neutral.
I still had some issues finding neutral (even after correct adjustment) until I went down on the primary oil viscosity to a 10w-30 (from a straight 30w).
My problem with neutral being all the way down is that it would then be two positions from second. I rarely use first, I usually take off in second even with Stephanie on back. First gear only makes it about halfway across an intersection. I'm not a fan of shifting gears in the middle of an intersection, especially if I am turning left.
 

mittens

Well-Known Member
I love my LFM clutch. Even more after I got it adjusted correctly (and got the correct length clutch cable), but I still find a need for neutral.
I still had some issues finding neutral (even after correct adjustment) until I went down on the primary oil viscosity to a 10w-30 (from a straight 30w).
My problem with neutral being all the way down is that it would then be two positions from second. I rarely use first, I usually take off in second even with Stephanie on back. First gear only makes it about halfway across an intersection. I'm not a fan of shifting gears in the middle of an intersection, especially if I am turning left.
Taking off in second is only causing you excessive clutch wear. 1st gear is there for a reason. I feel the same with my vetts. people take off in 2nd being lazy and its just wearing that clutch faster. both car and bike have the Tq to pull it of, just a waste of clutch slipping it like that.
 
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