SVEN finally got his bike going.
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mastiffdave
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Bwwaaaaaahhaaaaaaaaa. That's funny stuff there But, Al I wasn't aware that you and Sven were that close to be sending personal photos. ? :roll:
Spit and I go way back... We have the same plumber cleavage
Sven rolls his bike out and those front discs are brand new. Even the front tire has the sticker still on it. Brand new, zero miles. The bike [was] the world's fastest until today's supercharger was introduced a few hours ago. It even comes with a handicap sticker that lets you get a head start on Your Bike... As if you'll beat one of these?
And then it slowly came down with a virus and evolved into this! Look at how clean the right side started out.
:zwhistle: My Rendition of a Chop Her :choppersmiley:
Sven rolls his bike out and those front discs are brand new. Even the front tire has the sticker still on it. Brand new, zero miles. The bike [was] the world's fastest until today's supercharger was introduced a few hours ago. It even comes with a handicap sticker that lets you get a head start on Your Bike... As if you'll beat one of these?
And then it slowly came down with a virus and evolved into this! Look at how clean the right side started out.
:zwhistle: My Rendition of a Chop Her :choppersmiley:
I think the only unofficial record I have is...
3 ECU's ~ 1)OEM 2)Flashed ECU 3)Flashed ECU = 3 tunes via plug and play.
2 PC5's ~ Individual maps that are toggled by flipping a switch = 4 maps.
1 Autotune ~ Where you let the box tune the map you made run cleaner = 1 map.
1. Dobeck ~ Where the pots can set the low to mid or mid to high and an accelerator pot = Multi-tunes by using the low-mid pot only, the accel only or the mid-hi only = 4 combos or 1 pig like the pc5.
1 Flash plus pigs = 6
1 OEM = 6
1 Flash pigged again = 6
... About 30 possible states of tunes. I don't think anyone in the country has that many, nor in their right mind would they need to... But here it is. Not including a few computer hacks and run a low performance limp, like removing the VOES switch and run the other ignition or the backup/fail-safe/limp/check engine light and that tune.
BWG56
Guru
:roll::roll:Let me help with the pic Al
francoblay1
The Spaniard
Sven,
We need to see a pic of YOU on the bike (no helmet)... c´mon, don´t be shy!
:2thumbs:
We need to see a pic of YOU on the bike (no helmet)... c´mon, don´t be shy!
:2thumbs:
BWG56
Guru
And pull your pants up:lol:Sven,
We need to see a pic of YOU on the bike (no helmet)... c´mon, don´t be shy!
:2thumbs:
Nice reflector!:2thumbs:Sven rolls his bike out and those front discs are brand new. Even the front tire has the sticker still on it. Brand new, zero miles. The bike [was] the world's fastest until today's supercharger was introduced a few hours ago. It even comes with a handicap sticker that lets you get a head start on Your Bike... As if you'll beat one of these?
And then it slowly came down with a virus and evolved into this! Look at how clean the right side started out.
:zwhistle: My Rendition of a Chop Her :choppersmiley:
Impressive, very impressive. :2thumbs:
Thanks, Viking... Someone gets it...
Here is a little trivia that happened yesterday. Too bad I wiped my drive, have no photos of any of the choppers I built. Nephew finds an evo basket case, keeps the engine, sells the rolling chassis. Builds the evo with the dutch replica springer front end: a drunk woman totals the bike. He buys the salvage from the insurance co., builds another one and I called it 'bulletproof' because it just kept running. Sells it.
Takes that money, buys a shovelhead engine with trans. We rebuild the top end, buys a new frame, sells it to soldier heading off to Italy and takes it with him on the ship over there.
Spends that money on a matching panhead and trans only. Buys a harley frame without numbers... pre 17-digit Vin, right? Finds a Frank's rear fender, buys forking by Frank's 6'' over, drum brakes fore and aft, throws it on Craig's list, asks $14,500. Japanese guy calls, asks for the matching trans and engine was all he cared about and a clean title. Hands the cash over and says he already sold the bike in japan. Said that was the look they want.
Between all those sales, the profits made, in between the builds, he buys an '09 bagger with radio, and now has 14.5k to build another bike. He found another harley frame, is now in the process of molding the tank into the frame, and who knows what engine?: till it comes over here for the final assembly.
So, in japan, he said the chop scene is still steady, but not like it was with the yen vs the dollar.
Conclusion? Got an old pan/shov/evo/ or the prize knuckle? Better up the price for the knuckle, because that's the most sought after engine family they are after. Just a little chop trivia and how the market is anything but soft here, but not so much over there.
:2thumbs:
Here is a little trivia that happened yesterday. Too bad I wiped my drive, have no photos of any of the choppers I built. Nephew finds an evo basket case, keeps the engine, sells the rolling chassis. Builds the evo with the dutch replica springer front end: a drunk woman totals the bike. He buys the salvage from the insurance co., builds another one and I called it 'bulletproof' because it just kept running. Sells it.
Takes that money, buys a shovelhead engine with trans. We rebuild the top end, buys a new frame, sells it to soldier heading off to Italy and takes it with him on the ship over there.
Spends that money on a matching panhead and trans only. Buys a harley frame without numbers... pre 17-digit Vin, right? Finds a Frank's rear fender, buys forking by Frank's 6'' over, drum brakes fore and aft, throws it on Craig's list, asks $14,500. Japanese guy calls, asks for the matching trans and engine was all he cared about and a clean title. Hands the cash over and says he already sold the bike in japan. Said that was the look they want.
Between all those sales, the profits made, in between the builds, he buys an '09 bagger with radio, and now has 14.5k to build another bike. He found another harley frame, is now in the process of molding the tank into the frame, and who knows what engine?: till it comes over here for the final assembly.
So, in japan, he said the chop scene is still steady, but not like it was with the yen vs the dollar.
Conclusion? Got an old pan/shov/evo/ or the prize knuckle? Better up the price for the knuckle, because that's the most sought after engine family they are after. Just a little chop trivia and how the market is anything but soft here, but not so much over there.
:2thumbs:
pknowles
RETIRED
sounds like the boy knows how to make a dollar and enjoy it while earning it :up:
francoblay1
The Spaniard
Thats the way! :2thumbs:
Thanks, Gentlemen. How about a story and how that bike evolved year after year...
Here is why the site no longer exists. The site owner had a web business, a 14, and wrote a website that was more basic than all the bells and whistles like vBulletin. So for years the site accumulated how-to sections from some of the members. All that work gone with the rest of the tech and how to mod that bike.
The reason my bike looks like it does is because of someone coming on the site years ago and pushing something called a 'tre.' Ivan of 'Ivan's Performance' [look it up] came to the site, began pushing this tre thing. My instinct came on and I began to question that product.
Back in 84 when I was racing an XR1000, I bought the shop manual. So in the back of my mind, what little I know about computers, I noticed the VOES would have this 'backup system.' If you run the vacuum on the switch, there are multi numbers being sent in to calculate the timing with. If the switch loses its wire or vacuum, it defaults to a backup/fail-safe/limp/check engine light kind of resetting so you are still safe to ride/drive.
At the original site or a marketing site when the 14 was first introduced, that site went down after a year or two. This web designer picked the ball up and wrote this website, had the hardware running with his other work, meant there was no ads or member support needed. He just loved the atmosphere of the first site.
Here comes Ivan pushing that product and I began to question what that thing did. He could not give me a straight answer so looking in the 14 book I put two and two together and that made me wire up my bike and match his tre. Ivan became my mentor because he could not explain what it was doing.
I was out of the industry, so any kind of school or update conferences at some hotel explaining the new product line, put me out of the loop of learning this new computer bike. I left when carbs, and spark boxes were still being used. That was back in 1999, when the Busa came out. So as I kept researching this tre thing, I went to a suz dealer, asked to see the busa manual. I saw the same exact codes back then and to this day it remains the same for any computer bike.
So the bottom line is, I figured out that Ivan was in the VOES of it and that triggered the better bottom end grunt everyone chases on the harley. This VOES hit was so basic to the beginning of entering a tiny computer on bikes, I saw it plain and clear. I had the manuals to back me up
Let me try to show you what the book reads like. VOES is a smooth transition from 10° to 40° to 55° is the old VOES ignition curve. Remove the VOES, the 'backup' is now triggering @ 10° at idle and up to 2000 rpm. It then switches to 55° once past 2000 rpm is the backup. So anyone that did this back then with the harleys, you are feeling this one hit wonder. And all it did in the 14 was basically the same curve [type with different backup numbers of course] which then eliminated the smoother transition. The bottom became more robust on the throttle input. Very twitchy, sporty, lower torque = Limp brought the torque quicker.
That said, my '08 14 had a whole different combination of wiring. I could 'on the fly,' toggle 5 codes that performed seat of the pants, but still in a safe limp mode. That was 9 codes total, me matching the codes in the book, which btw, kept the bike running. I felt more or less the same kind of limp the tre was setting ala VOES. So Ivan became my mentor to that tre hit, the book and bike wiring that schooled me.
Come the next elixir was this guy named Jeffo and his 'call me,' and for $50 I'll tune your 14 over the phone. Well, the instinct hit me again and I had no clue about a pc or maps, but this guy began fouling member's bikes and I had a blast dissing this guy. That sent me out of the site, because this [web ower]guy could not see what was going on... again.
Segway to a few days ago, this guy races a flash a week ago, reports that both ECU's were even at the end with the same times. Again, the back of the hair stands up, here comes the headed debate for 18 pages and the web owner again did not see the elixir in the making for a 3rd and final time.
The owner boots me out again. Then some of the members know there is something going on, complains to the web owner about how the place died down. The members were not nice making comment [one member that is, who shot himself in the foot
] about the web owner and that was it for the web owner who shut the place down. :roll:
And all I did was expose more fraud and I'm the bad boy. :reddevil:
And now you know why that bike no longer can be set in code, but add pig(s) and a flash(more than one) is no problem and here is the latest setup on an '013...
... And Thank You Ivan from the start.
When you google 'zx14 forums' this [was] at the top of the heap. Google wrote this, not the web owner. It was placed at the top because of the number of hits? Beats me. Anyway, this was the 3rd time I was booted out of that site or 'timeout' time in the corner.
Here is why the site no longer exists. The site owner had a web business, a 14, and wrote a website that was more basic than all the bells and whistles like vBulletin. So for years the site accumulated how-to sections from some of the members. All that work gone with the rest of the tech and how to mod that bike.
The reason my bike looks like it does is because of someone coming on the site years ago and pushing something called a 'tre.' Ivan of 'Ivan's Performance' [look it up] came to the site, began pushing this tre thing. My instinct came on and I began to question that product.
Back in 84 when I was racing an XR1000, I bought the shop manual. So in the back of my mind, what little I know about computers, I noticed the VOES would have this 'backup system.' If you run the vacuum on the switch, there are multi numbers being sent in to calculate the timing with. If the switch loses its wire or vacuum, it defaults to a backup/fail-safe/limp/check engine light kind of resetting so you are still safe to ride/drive.
At the original site or a marketing site when the 14 was first introduced, that site went down after a year or two. This web designer picked the ball up and wrote this website, had the hardware running with his other work, meant there was no ads or member support needed. He just loved the atmosphere of the first site.
Here comes Ivan pushing that product and I began to question what that thing did. He could not give me a straight answer so looking in the 14 book I put two and two together and that made me wire up my bike and match his tre. Ivan became my mentor because he could not explain what it was doing.
I was out of the industry, so any kind of school or update conferences at some hotel explaining the new product line, put me out of the loop of learning this new computer bike. I left when carbs, and spark boxes were still being used. That was back in 1999, when the Busa came out. So as I kept researching this tre thing, I went to a suz dealer, asked to see the busa manual. I saw the same exact codes back then and to this day it remains the same for any computer bike.
So the bottom line is, I figured out that Ivan was in the VOES of it and that triggered the better bottom end grunt everyone chases on the harley. This VOES hit was so basic to the beginning of entering a tiny computer on bikes, I saw it plain and clear. I had the manuals to back me up
Let me try to show you what the book reads like. VOES is a smooth transition from 10° to 40° to 55° is the old VOES ignition curve. Remove the VOES, the 'backup' is now triggering @ 10° at idle and up to 2000 rpm. It then switches to 55° once past 2000 rpm is the backup. So anyone that did this back then with the harleys, you are feeling this one hit wonder. And all it did in the 14 was basically the same curve [type with different backup numbers of course] which then eliminated the smoother transition. The bottom became more robust on the throttle input. Very twitchy, sporty, lower torque = Limp brought the torque quicker.
That said, my '08 14 had a whole different combination of wiring. I could 'on the fly,' toggle 5 codes that performed seat of the pants, but still in a safe limp mode. That was 9 codes total, me matching the codes in the book, which btw, kept the bike running. I felt more or less the same kind of limp the tre was setting ala VOES. So Ivan became my mentor to that tre hit, the book and bike wiring that schooled me.
Come the next elixir was this guy named Jeffo and his 'call me,' and for $50 I'll tune your 14 over the phone. Well, the instinct hit me again and I had no clue about a pc or maps, but this guy began fouling member's bikes and I had a blast dissing this guy. That sent me out of the site, because this [web ower]guy could not see what was going on... again.
Segway to a few days ago, this guy races a flash a week ago, reports that both ECU's were even at the end with the same times. Again, the back of the hair stands up, here comes the headed debate for 18 pages and the web owner again did not see the elixir in the making for a 3rd and final time.
The owner boots me out again. Then some of the members know there is something going on, complains to the web owner about how the place died down. The members were not nice making comment [one member that is, who shot himself in the foot
] about the web owner and that was it for the web owner who shut the place down. :roll:And all I did was expose more fraud and I'm the bad boy. :reddevil:
And now you know why that bike no longer can be set in code, but add pig(s) and a flash(more than one) is no problem and here is the latest setup on an '013...
... And Thank You Ivan from the start.
Downloaded my phone, came up with some of these. Built from the cases up are the black bikes... more parts to play with. The frank's fender was a rebuild with 150/130 psi. Flipped everyone. I called the evo, 'Bulletproof.' Was beat the shit out of [2nd frame change from crash and bought it back]; it ran like a clock. You'll see the signature symbolic symbol(s) think I can't hold my own is looking at a group reunion shot in a brown paper bag. LOL