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scubaman15
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Lup's posted article said;
Rule 2: Most cops are decent folks, but some are crap and on ego trips. These are the sorry fucks that pull you over for pipes, plates, and helmets.
Rule 3: Cops just enforce the law and when they decide to stop you, your response can decide if a ticket will be written. Arguing with them is useless. Take it up in court. For example, in VA there is a lawyer in Richmond that will fight helmet tickets for nothing since the law is so crappy. Most cops ignore it -- the ego boys write it up. Fuck 'em
Why do I say these things? I use to be a Cop...
Rule 1: The police can NEVER protect you. They can only enforce the law and fill out the paper work over a dead body. Get a permit and carry your own protection.
Rule 2: Most cops are decent folks, but some are crap and on ego trips. These are the sorry fucks that pull you over for pipes, plates, and helmets.
Rule 3: Cops just enforce the law and when they decide to stop you, your response can decide if a ticket will be written. Arguing with them is useless. Take it up in court. For example, in VA there is a lawyer in Richmond that will fight helmet tickets for nothing since the law is so crappy. Most cops ignore it -- the ego boys write it up. Fuck 'em
Why do I say these things? I use to be a Cop...
I have found that I need to put the cop at ease, then I try to make him laugh, and usually do nothing to "set him off".
The time to argue your case is in court. I will then have done my homework.
In this state, the cop need not be in court as his written statement is his testimony.
Take it to court, there will be many non Mongels in there with you and the judge will see the diff, and being a business owner will not hurt either.
The time to argue your case is in court. I will then have done my homework.
In this state, the cop need not be in court as his written statement is his testimony.
Take it to court, there will be many non Mongels in there with you and the judge will see the diff, and being a business owner will not hurt either.
Fibersnake
Banjo Playing PsychoBilly
Chacha wrote "your response can decide if a ticket will be written. Arguing with them is useless"
Very very true. Best to be nice, do not bend over, let them do their job and take it to court if you think they were wrong.
Me and a bud were taking a dryer back to his house one late night. Had it in his trailer and we got pulled over. My buddy was black and I was not dressed in a suit. Anyway his excuse was that he thought the trailer lights did not dispay right. He check them and they did. Asked a bunch of questions about what we were doing and what not. Mainly trying to figure out why we were taking a dryer somewhere after mid-night.
He kept prodding but we just gave him the answers once for we knew he was being a pain. After it was all said and about done, the officer ask my buddy if he minded if he checked inside the vehicle. My buddies response was not a problem once he gets a magistrate to issue a search warrant.
Of course the officer just got pissed and went on why we would not want the vehicle search, what were we hiding and shit. We were hiding nothing nor did anything wrong or illegal. Buddy told him nothing it is just that he wasn't going to let him volunterily and if he wanted to he could do his job and somebody could convince a magistrate that there was probably cause.
Of course his buddy showed up and then they tagged team. They were not bad per say, just wanted to cut the requirements and not push for a warrant. They finally were convince that we had no where to go and where willing to set there all night if they wanted to get a search warrant. Then they called back to the office and I guess after awhile that there higher ups were not convinced enough to go wake up a magistrate to gather a warrant to search, they let us go after being there for over an hour. Was funny but pushing the limit at time, but he felt confident as I did too. We both still laugh about that one. Of course the wives were called before they even stopped us to let them know we were going to be late due to Camden County NC Sheriffs pulling us over. That and at the time between him and me we had over 30 years of LE experience on the Maritime LE side.
Very very true. Best to be nice, do not bend over, let them do their job and take it to court if you think they were wrong.
Me and a bud were taking a dryer back to his house one late night. Had it in his trailer and we got pulled over. My buddy was black and I was not dressed in a suit. Anyway his excuse was that he thought the trailer lights did not dispay right. He check them and they did. Asked a bunch of questions about what we were doing and what not. Mainly trying to figure out why we were taking a dryer somewhere after mid-night.
He kept prodding but we just gave him the answers once for we knew he was being a pain. After it was all said and about done, the officer ask my buddy if he minded if he checked inside the vehicle. My buddies response was not a problem once he gets a magistrate to issue a search warrant.
Of course the officer just got pissed and went on why we would not want the vehicle search, what were we hiding and shit. We were hiding nothing nor did anything wrong or illegal. Buddy told him nothing it is just that he wasn't going to let him volunterily and if he wanted to he could do his job and somebody could convince a magistrate that there was probably cause.
Of course his buddy showed up and then they tagged team. They were not bad per say, just wanted to cut the requirements and not push for a warrant. They finally were convince that we had no where to go and where willing to set there all night if they wanted to get a search warrant. Then they called back to the office and I guess after awhile that there higher ups were not convinced enough to go wake up a magistrate to gather a warrant to search, they let us go after being there for over an hour. Was funny but pushing the limit at time, but he felt confident as I did too. We both still laugh about that one. Of course the wives were called before they even stopped us to let them know we were going to be late due to Camden County NC Sheriffs pulling us over. That and at the time between him and me we had over 30 years of LE experience on the Maritime LE side.
Roaddawg
Well-Known Member
Okay, as a recently retired LEO and motor officer I can attest to the following.
1. Some cops (even those on motors ) don't like bikers at all. I have worked with them. They don't ride themselves, other than the work bikes and they go after other bikers for anything under the sun.
2. In court, the officer is going to have to testify as to what equipment he used to determine the exhaust was too loud. For example, we were required to use a decibel meter, at 18", at a 45 degree angle, at 2000 rpm (not using the bikes tach) with no buildings, facades, walls etc. within 20 feet. Plus, you had to prove you were properly trained to use the equipment. This is why, in 25 years of police work, I never wrote a loud exhaust. But, on more than one occasion I observed other officers write the summons, without the use of any required equipment, figuring 90% of the people pay by mail, and the other 10% will be dismissed if they ask for a trial.
3. We didn't have a helmet law, so that did not apply. However, the neighboring state did and often conducted "helmet checks". It was primarily one officer who did this, over and over and over. Enough people contested their tickets and the court finally stated that a biker cannot be stopped for a "helmet check". The court determined that there was no probable cause to stop a biker just because and officer thought the helmet might not be DOT approved. the officer continued and the court found him in contempt and he was summarily disciplined by his agency.
hope it helps. I add this because I put in 25 years in what I believe is one of the greatest (and most fun) professions that exists. I, along with 90 percent of my brothers and sisters, conducted ourselves with integrity. We treated everyone, good, bad and otherwise, with respect. Yes, there were times that it might change, but that was due to the subject response (ie. assaulting us ). I worked more than 20 years worth of Laconia motorcycle rallies and cut breaks to just about every biker there was.
Occasionally some idiot would get out of hand, but if that was the case, I often gave them options. For example, if someone was stupid enough to do a wild ass burnout, in front of me, in the roadway within feet of thousands of onlookers, some who were drunk enough to do something stupid like step in front of the burnout king, I was required to do something. More often than not, the biker had been sucked in by the chanting crowd. So, the options were:
a. get a $200 ticket
b. get the bike towed
c. do pushups
More likely than not, the guy (or gal on occasion) opted for pushups, on the side of the road. The crowd would count, the rider might pump out 10 to 20, everyone cheered and the biker learned not to let the crowd get him in trouble. By working with all the people involved, no one got hurt, an angry mob didn't riot (which is always the potential with alcohol, crowds and bike rallies) and every had a good chuckle. I did something, becuase I was forced to act. The biker was happy, he didn't have a big fine nor was his bike towed, and the crowd was appeased.
So, most cops use discretion. Alot of us are riders. But there is always that 10%, in any group and any profession.
1. Some cops (even those on motors ) don't like bikers at all. I have worked with them. They don't ride themselves, other than the work bikes and they go after other bikers for anything under the sun.
2. In court, the officer is going to have to testify as to what equipment he used to determine the exhaust was too loud. For example, we were required to use a decibel meter, at 18", at a 45 degree angle, at 2000 rpm (not using the bikes tach) with no buildings, facades, walls etc. within 20 feet. Plus, you had to prove you were properly trained to use the equipment. This is why, in 25 years of police work, I never wrote a loud exhaust. But, on more than one occasion I observed other officers write the summons, without the use of any required equipment, figuring 90% of the people pay by mail, and the other 10% will be dismissed if they ask for a trial.
3. We didn't have a helmet law, so that did not apply. However, the neighboring state did and often conducted "helmet checks". It was primarily one officer who did this, over and over and over. Enough people contested their tickets and the court finally stated that a biker cannot be stopped for a "helmet check". The court determined that there was no probable cause to stop a biker just because and officer thought the helmet might not be DOT approved. the officer continued and the court found him in contempt and he was summarily disciplined by his agency.
hope it helps. I add this because I put in 25 years in what I believe is one of the greatest (and most fun) professions that exists. I, along with 90 percent of my brothers and sisters, conducted ourselves with integrity. We treated everyone, good, bad and otherwise, with respect. Yes, there were times that it might change, but that was due to the subject response (ie. assaulting us ). I worked more than 20 years worth of Laconia motorcycle rallies and cut breaks to just about every biker there was.
Occasionally some idiot would get out of hand, but if that was the case, I often gave them options. For example, if someone was stupid enough to do a wild ass burnout, in front of me, in the roadway within feet of thousands of onlookers, some who were drunk enough to do something stupid like step in front of the burnout king, I was required to do something. More often than not, the biker had been sucked in by the chanting crowd. So, the options were:
a. get a $200 ticket
b. get the bike towed
c. do pushups
More likely than not, the guy (or gal on occasion) opted for pushups, on the side of the road. The crowd would count, the rider might pump out 10 to 20, everyone cheered and the biker learned not to let the crowd get him in trouble. By working with all the people involved, no one got hurt, an angry mob didn't riot (which is always the potential with alcohol, crowds and bike rallies) and every had a good chuckle. I did something, becuase I was forced to act. The biker was happy, he didn't have a big fine nor was his bike towed, and the crowd was appeased.
So, most cops use discretion. Alot of us are riders. But there is always that 10%, in any group and any profession.
txchopperguy
Well-Known Member
He told you they were fix-it tickets becuase he wants you to mail it in and not contest anything...he probaly also knows if you contest it he may not have a leg to stand on. Sounds like he is bluffing...CALL IT!
LARS
sippin & cruzin
I agree 100%,their are good cops,and their are assholes,My wife got a ticket for doing 80 in a 65 by a NYS Trooper ,working out of Somers barracks(just in case anyone is reading this,he is an ahole),I had just gotten out of the Hosp.after 4 days due to back surg.,I called the barracks about an hour after he gave the ticket,his reply was to plead not guilty and he'll take care of at the hearing,court date comes a few months after,I go to talk to him,show him my badge,does a 360 on me dosen't remember talkin to me on the phone,after talkin a few we agree on a inoperable speedo.$110. fine,no ins jump,so thats cool,but i saw the prick a few days later at a local eatery,tries to shake my hand,of course I do not extend but I did let him know that if on my way home from a 4x12 if I see him rollin with some drunk I'm gonna honk my horn and wave.POS,so point being there are good and there are bad,anyway fight the tix,just do some homework so you know what yer talkin bout
That sucks Barhopper. FTP.
barhopper
Another round please
Yes, the stock MM pipes Bigdog sold me. They were put on when I bought it. I never even fired up the bike with the stock exhaust.
Fibersnake
Banjo Playing PsychoBilly
Come to think of it, just like Barhopper-my BD came with MM when I bought it so never even heard it stock. The MM does have some baffles in there and I can not find anything on the pipes that say along the lines of "For Off Road Use Only".
So I take it has stock option-fight the ticket!
So I take it has stock option-fight the ticket!
This sucks to hear(read), and Officers who write BS tickets piss me off. In my professional opinion it may be easer to contact the DA's office and talk with the DA prosecuting the case. Unless they don't have an open door policy. This way you can at least explain to them the circumstances, and possibly get dismissal form. I also have a feeling the court is going to be swamped with the tickets, and arrests made that day so whatever the DA can do to lessen his work load, they'll do. I hope this helps.
PS....you can buy DOT helmet stickers on E-bay to put on your helmet.
PS....you can buy DOT helmet stickers on E-bay to put on your helmet.
barhopper
Another round please
I need that sticker :up:PS....you can buy DOT helmet stickers on E-bay to put on your helmet.
Xodus
Member
i'd say the mongols created the problem... citizens complain, cops gotta do something - sucks that you got caught in the net though
+1 on getting a continuance to another day - if you show up w/ the gang members you're probably not going to get much of a break
...and for what help it may be:
EXHAUST:
California state motorcycle laws
V.C. Section 27150 - Adequate Muffler Required
V.C. Section 27151 - Modification of Exhaust Systems
V.C. Section 27150.7 - Dismissal of Prosecution
Dismissal of Prosecution
and for the dismissal, the following is what the dmv website had for that:
NOISE / EXHAUST TESTING PROCEDURE:
V.C. Section 27200 - Vehicle Registration and Sale Prohibitions
V.C. Section 27202 - Motorcycle Limits
HELMET:
V.C. Section 27802 - Safety Helmet Regulations
V.C. Section 27803 - Safety Helmets: Required
GOOD LUCK!
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