Doesn't run in the rain

sappy

New Member
My 2002 Boxer doesn't like rain what so ever!:bang: I can't seem to find the problem and my mechanic suggested i ask if anyone has experienced a similar problem and found a solution. I'm at a loss. We've replaced the coil, ignition, and other parts. i'm not sure what all he has tried but it is still not happy in the rain. It doesn't begin to miss till the road is wet and the tires kick it on the bike. Help...... :confused:
 

francoblay1

The Spaniard
Dielectric Grease and a bit of TLC + patience, just a few hours.... Electrics & Water do NOT mix. :D

Ask me how I know! :rolleyes:

:2thumbs:
 

diver1

Member
Supporting Member
Same thing happened to me years ago (06 K-9). Turns out gas tank vibration rubbed insulation off wires running down frame backbone. Only had problem when it rained and wires shorted out. Check any place wires can rub on metal.
 

Srodden

Well-Known Member
Dielectric Grease and a bit of TLC + patience, just a few hours.... Electrics & Water do NOT mix. :D

Ask me how I know! :rolleyes:

:2thumbs:
:iagree: lift the tank up put dielectric grease on every connection you can check the ignition wires. Put in a little time and care it'll go a long way. Jmo
 

HMAN

I just like my Freedom
Supporting Member
Take a look at the tail light wiring. You may have rubbed a spot under the back fender.Give all your circuit boards a good waterproofing as well.
 

francoblay1

The Spaniard
Take a look at the tail light wiring. You may have rubbed a spot under the back fender.Give all your circuit boards a good waterproofing as well.
Yes, forgot about that.... it did happen to me (thanks to the idiot who decided to place the License plate on the fender... :angry: )

And yes also to the CBs on the handle bars.... basically... waterproof IT ALL! :2thumbs:

:cheers:
 

NZBigDog

Member
Dialectic grease????

I would not use dialectic grease on connectors. It is used to "seal" the plug and sockets from moisture (once they are together). It is Non-conductive so don't use it on the connector before you connect the plug and socket.

A better product is SECUROL, an electrical contact lubricant. I use it on all my connectors, as im connecting them. I also use it when I dismantle old switches (for old cars) because it stops contact "freezing" or "jamming"

I have gone through ALL the connectors (well the ones I havnt eliminated), and put this on the connectors (including the ones on the EHC)
 

Tdubb

Active Member
I had a bike that was like that. I found a small leak in the carberator gasket. Water was leaking into the carb bypassing the filter.
 

francoblay1

The Spaniard
I would not use dialectic grease on connectors. It is used to "seal" the plug and sockets from moisture (once they are together). It is Non-conductive so don't use it on the connector before you connect the plug and socket.

A better product is SECUROL, an electrical contact lubricant. I use it on all my connectors, as im connecting them. I also use it when I dismantle old switches (for old cars) because it stops contact "freezing" or "jamming"

I have gone through ALL the connectors (well the ones I havnt eliminated), and put this on the connectors (including the ones on the EHC)
I did fill up ALL the connectors on the bike (including the EHC & Spark Plug wires) with this stuff and it runs great!

It has been discussed plenty times here in the Forum and many members are using it with no problems whatsoever.

I am not saying SECUROL is not good.... I am just saying there is nothing wrong in using Dielectric Grease.

:cheers:
 

TapioK

Well-Known Member
I did fill up ALL the connectors on the bike (including the EHC & Spark Plug wires) with this stuff and it runs great!

"Dielectric grease[edit]
Dielectric grease is electrically insulating and does not break down when high voltage is applied. It is often applied to electrical connectors, particularly those containing rubber gaskets, as a means of lubricating and sealing rubber portions of the connector without arcing.
A common use of dielectric grease is in high-voltage connections associated with gasoline engine spark plugs. The grease is applied to the rubber boot of the plug wire. This helps the rubber boot slide onto the ceramic insulator of the plug. The grease also acts to seal the rubber boot, while at the same time preventing the rubber from becoming stuck to the ceramic. Generally spark plugs are located in areas of high temperature, and the grease is formulated to withstand the temperature range expected. It can be applied to the actual contact as well, because the contact pressure is sufficient to penetrate the grease. Doing so on such high pressure contact surfaces between different metals has the advantage of sealing the contact area against electrolytes that might cause rapid galvanic corrosion.
Another common use of dielectric grease is on the rubber mating surfaces or gaskets of multi-pin electrical connectors used in automotive and marine engines. The grease again acts as a lubricant and a sealant on the nonconductive mating surfaces of the connector. It is not recommended to be applied to the actual electrical conductive contacts of the connector because it could interfere with the electrical signals passing through the connector in cases where the contact pressure is very low. Products designed as electronic connector lubricants, on the other hand, should be applied to such connector contacts and can dramatically extend their useful life. Polyphenyl Ether, rather than silicone grease, is the active ingredient in some such connector lubricants.
Silicone grease should not be applied to (or next to) any switch contact that might experience arcing, as silicone can convert to silicon-carbide under arcing conditions, and accumulation of the silicon-carbide can cause the contacts to prematurely fail. (British Telecom had this problem in the 1970s when silicone Symel® sleeving was used in telephone exchanges. Vapour from the sleeving migrated to relay contacts and the resultant silicon-carbide caused intermittent connection.)"
 

NZBigDog

Member
I did fill up ALL the connectors on the bike (including the EHC & Spark Plug wires) with this stuff and it runs great!

"Dielectric grease[edit]
Dielectric grease is electrically insulating and does not break down when high voltage is applied. It is often applied to electrical connectors, particularly those containing rubber gaskets, as a means of lubricating and sealing rubber portions of the connector without arcing.
A common use of dielectric grease is in high-voltage connections associated with gasoline engine spark plugs. The grease is applied to the rubber boot of the plug wire. This helps the rubber boot slide onto the ceramic insulator of the plug. The grease also acts to seal the rubber boot, while at the same time preventing the rubber from becoming stuck to the ceramic. Generally spark plugs are located in areas of high temperature, and the grease is formulated to withstand the temperature range expected. It can be applied to the actual contact as well, because the contact pressure is sufficient to penetrate the grease. Doing so on such high pressure contact surfaces between different metals has the advantage of sealing the contact area against electrolytes that might cause rapid galvanic corrosion.
Another common use of dielectric grease is on the rubber mating surfaces or gaskets of multi-pin electrical connectors used in automotive and marine engines. The grease again acts as a lubricant and a sealant on the nonconductive mating surfaces of the connector. It is not recommended to be applied to the actual electrical conductive contacts of the connector because it could interfere with the electrical signals passing through the connector in cases where the contact pressure is very low. Products designed as electronic connector lubricants, on the other hand, should be applied to such connector contacts and can dramatically extend their useful life. Polyphenyl Ether, rather than silicone grease, is the active ingredient in some such connector lubricants.
Silicone grease should not be applied to (or next to) any switch contact that might experience arcing, as silicone can convert to silicon-carbide under arcing conditions, and accumulation of the silicon-carbide can cause the contacts to prematurely fail. (British Telecom had this problem in the 1970s when silicone Symel® sleeving was used in telephone exchanges. Vapour from the sleeving migrated to relay contacts and the resultant silicon-carbide caused intermittent connection.)"
yep, I wouldn't use it...why bother when you can get conductive grease like Securol or this is even beter, the Q47-7 for copper contacts

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TRANZ ELECTRICAL CONDUCTING RANGE
TRANZ Q45 - Q48 SERIES - High Performance Electrical Conducting Compounds
FIELD PERFORMANCE with over 63 years experience serving National Electric Power Generation and Distribution
manufactures a unique and comprehensive range of High Performance TRANZ Q Series Branded Compounds for either
insulation or conduction of energy originating from Electrical, Acoustical, Thermal and Mechanical sources. A broad
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Q45-2 Lubricating Grease, Special Fluoride Resistant, for Electro-
Smelting. Cat. II - Atmos. Ambient -25º C to +80º C
Q45-5 FireSafe ™ Fire resistant lube for possible Arcing conditions in
Switchgear Cat III - Extremes to +235º C
Q45-6 Elastomer Grade. Specific lube for Continuous Elastomer
Contact. Cat II - Atmos. Ambient -25º C to +80º C
Lubrication & Connectors Unique, High Performance Conducting Lubricant
Q48 – For High Temperature Lubrication
Non-melt, solids-free, totally conducting. Black.
Service category III - Extremes to +235º C
GRITTED
Connector & Jointing Compounds
COARSE Grit, especially for aluminium / steel combinations.
Q46-1 Standard, Non-melt, coarse grit, silver-grey
Service category II - Atmos. Ambient -25º C to +80º C
Q46-2 High temp. & High Tension usage
Non-melt, coarse grit, silver-grey
Service category III - Extremes to +235º C
MED-FINE Grit, especially suitable for galvanized steel
Q47-1 Non-melt, fine grit, grey
Service category II - Atmos. Ambient -25º C to +80º C
Q47-2 Non-melt, fine grit, grey, High temp., Service category III -
Extremes to +235º C
Specific Metals Switchgear Lubricants
FINE Grit, polishing solids, for switch face lubrication & electrical
conduction in switchgear made from specific metals –
High Temp, specific high corrosion inhibition. Service category III
– FreezePruf & Extremes to +235º C.
Q47-3 for Galvanised Metals - grey
Q47-5 for Aluminium Metals - silver
Q47-7 for Copper Metals – copper/bronze
Packaging - conventional 300 G Cartridges, 500 G & 5 kG tinplate canisters, 20 & 60 kG lined steel open-head pails.
 

NZBigDog

Member
I did fill up ALL the connectors on the bike (including the EHC & Spark Plug wires) with this stuff and it runs great!

It has been discussed plenty times here in the Forum and many members are using it with no problems whatsoever.

I am not saying SECUROL is not good.... I am just saying there is nothing wrong in using Dielectric Grease.

:cheers:
Do you put a specific type of Oil in your bike??
The small differences that make you choose a specific oil....the same principals make an electronics tech choose a certain product...why use something that is OK, when you can use something correct :):up:
 

H-fred biker

Active Member
yep, I wouldn't use it...why bother when you can get conductive grease like Securol or this is even beter, the Q47-7 for copper contacts

TECHNICAL INFORMATION - SUMMARY SHEET
TRANZ ELECTRICAL CONDUCTING RANGE
TRANZ Q45 - Q48 SERIES - High Performance Electrical Conducting Compounds
FIELD PERFORMANCE with over 63 years experience serving National Electric Power Generation and Distribution
manufactures a unique and comprehensive range of High Performance TRANZ Q Series Branded Compounds for either
insulation or conduction of energy originating from Electrical, Acoustical, Thermal and Mechanical sources. A broad
summary and the numbering logic of the entire range is available in our Data Sheet entitled The TRANZ Q Series
Compounds - A Summary.
Among the Electrical Energy Control compounds are a range of TRANZ Electrical Conducting Compounds, the
information on this sheet is solely about this range, the TRANZ Q45 through Q48 Subseries are characterized by
inherent control capacity of both high voltage and high amperage.
GRIT-FREE
Straight Lubricants Q45-1 to Q45-6 Series,
Non-melting, no-grit, Mild to Med. conducting.
Service category II - Atmos. Ambient -25º C to +80º C
Q45-2 Lubricating Grease, Special Fluoride Resistant, for Electro-
Smelting. Cat. II - Atmos. Ambient -25º C to +80º C
Q45-5 FireSafe ™ Fire resistant lube for possible Arcing conditions in
Switchgear Cat III - Extremes to +235º C
Q45-6 Elastomer Grade. Specific lube for Continuous Elastomer
Contact. Cat II - Atmos. Ambient -25º C to +80º C
Lubrication & Connectors Unique, High Performance Conducting Lubricant
Q48 – For High Temperature Lubrication
Non-melt, solids-free, totally conducting. Black.
Service category III - Extremes to +235º C
GRITTED
Connector & Jointing Compounds
COARSE Grit, especially for aluminium / steel combinations.
Q46-1 Standard, Non-melt, coarse grit, silver-grey
Service category II - Atmos. Ambient -25º C to +80º C
Q46-2 High temp. & High Tension usage
Non-melt, coarse grit, silver-grey
Service category III - Extremes to +235º C
MED-FINE Grit, especially suitable for galvanized steel
Q47-1 Non-melt, fine grit, grey
Service category II - Atmos. Ambient -25º C to +80º C
Q47-2 Non-melt, fine grit, grey, High temp., Service category III -
Extremes to +235º C
Specific Metals Switchgear Lubricants
FINE Grit, polishing solids, for switch face lubrication & electrical
conduction in switchgear made from specific metals –
High Temp, specific high corrosion inhibition. Service category III
– FreezePruf & Extremes to +235º C.
Q47-3 for Galvanised Metals - grey
Q47-5 for Aluminium Metals - silver
Q47-7 for Copper Metals – copper/bronze
Packaging - conventional 300 G Cartridges, 500 G & 5 kG tinplate canisters, 20 & 60 kG lined steel open-head pails.
I´ve tried google but found nothing of interest, can You give a more specific name of Securol or Q47-7 :2thumbs:
 

NZBigDog

Member
Sorry, Securol is NLA, but the Q47-7 we source from an Australian Petroleum company

I have only recently run out of Securol and these posts made me find info on it and now we will be using the Q Range of products.
Im not here to argue with people...I just want to help others from have some possible faults.
We have to remember what bikes we are dealing with..Big cube, solid mount....the bike resonates a lot. Most of the factory Bigdogs are using a "low voltage" control system for sensors and switches. This low voltage is amazingly easy to lower in voltage or stop altogether....especially when ALL the plug and socket conductors on the bike are slowly losing tension. Now, by adding a insulating grease into the voltage path may not cause a problem straight away (it your lucky), but as soon as those plugs cant dispel the grease, you will start top have intermittent problems.....its just bad practice.
No One has to listen, im just sharing what I know .

The Securol "type" products, Now Q47-7 for copper contacts,....these will ONLY HELP your electrical system, there are NO negatives, less risk of electrical breakdown....I had been using Securol for the last 15 years on electronic and electrical systems.
 

francoblay1

The Spaniard
Do you put a specific type of Oil in your bike??
The small differences that make you choose a specific oil....the same principals make an electronics tech choose a certain product...why use something that is OK, when you can use something correct :):up:
:iagree: next time I will search for something of that kind available to me. :cheers:
 

HMAN

I just like my Freedom
Supporting Member
From what I'm seeing it comes down to availability. If there was a site we could all get the right products from, I think the majority would, but when a product is difficult to find or extremely costly well....you use what's around. JMO.
 

NZBigDog

Member
I'm going to be ordering a drum....I will be re-selling it through my business in smaller quantities.
A 150g container is all you need for the next 10 years if you are just using it at home!!:up:
 

BWG56

Guru
Dielectric Grease and a bit of TLC + patience, just a few hours.... Electrics & Water do NOT mix. :D

Ask me how I know! :rolleyes:

:2thumbs:

How many of us on here do you think used dielectric grease? I do believe we'll be fine with it, main thing is it will keep the water out between the mating housings. Most terminals these days are gold plated to minimize corrosion.
 

NZBigDog

Member
From what I'm seeing it comes down to availability. If there was a site we could all get the right products from, I think the majority would, but when a product is difficult to find or extremely costly well....you use what's around. JMO.
I think anyone could order it from TRANZ Lubricants, they are in Australia.
I am just getting a Drum because they would like someone in NZ to be able to sell the smaller quantities and I am in the Electronic's industry.
 

NZBigDog

Member
How many of us on here do you think used dielectric grease? I do believe we'll be fine with it, main thing is it will keep the water out between the mating housings. Most terminals these days are gold plated to minimize corrosion.


" Whether the job big or small,
do it right or not at all."

wonder where that quote came from......:up:
 
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