Random Headlight

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Diesel Dan

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Was wanting some opinions from my fellow BD Bro"s.......& sisters..
Got something weird goin on......

I have a random headlight now.......Sometimes it is on,sometimes it is not????? I replaced the bulb with a good Heavy Duty German bulb:up:, pulled the tank already,checked ALL the wiring back to the EHC, I checked the connectors,took the connections apart and checked for broken terminals and wires,split terminals,bad connections and grounds,cut the wire loom in half and inspected and performed wiggle test,NO Chafed wires, NO NOTHING......still it is Hit n Miss...... I think I have lost the Driver circut in the EHC,like a shitty solder joint on that function???? Hmm IDK???:angry:

Anybody else got any idea's...........I'am all ears........

AS ALWAYS..Thank you:)
 

firedog19

Active Member
on my 04 it was a burned pin on the ehc connector. If I wiggled the connector back and forth it would go on and off. I solved it by cleaning the pin and socket as well as I could , tweeking the pin a tiny bit off center and stuffing a small amount of stranded wire into the socket. So far it has not gone out again in two months.
 

HMAN

I just like my Freedom
Supporting Member
Just fixed a similar issue. Mine was flickering every once and a while. Finally the low beam just quit. I figured it had to be the bulb. Pullled the bucket apart and my plastic H4 connector had started to melt. Replaced it with a new ceramic plug from WSW. Cheap fix.
 

awg

Guru
My Chopper had similar problems with my headlight also. Lowbeam would go on and off. Bike would shut down for no reason. Ended up changing out the EHC. Been good eversince. And yes, I did check all that was suggested here on the forum. Bulb....connections.....grounds...ect.
 

Diesel Dan

Well-Known Member
the bulb I used was a "jahn" it says made in west Germany,it was new,laying around in my friends bike shop........still does the same thing...guess I will take a closer look at the EHC connector......Thanks guys....
 

Diesel Dan

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Well I checked the EHC connector and its pins,there all fine,headlight plug is fine,has a new bulb,grounds are good and continuity from left hand controls to the EHC.......only thing I can think of is EHC is starting to shit out on me,headlight has pretty much quit:(........comes on sometimes,then go's right out again....any idea's anyone.....

Does anyone on here repair EHC"s:(?????? Thanks
 

awg

Guru
I don't think anyone fixes them. I know you can send the EHC to one of the forum members here (can't remember the name) and he can run it through tests to see whats good and bad. If it does turn out to be the EHC then your choices would be a wire plus or PDM. I think they now make one for the 04's. I had to go with the wire plus on mine. Been good ever since.
 

Diesel Dan

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Yeah I been lookin at the Big Dog PDM,its like 3 or 4 weeks to get one.........

I'am staying away from the Wireplus setup,not impressed with it all........WAY to many consistent single pattern failure's with the switch modules burning up on those....... OR maybe a rewire and HD hand controls,not quite sure........

Yeah Curtis from WSW is the one who test's the EHC module's:)..........I was hoping maybe someone on here repair's them......I still got like 3 months of good riding weather here,then tear it down over the winter and rewire it......This frickin sucks:(

Thanks for everyone"s input
 

Diesel Dan

Well-Known Member
Well after testing everything....... my hunch was right..Lost the driver circut out of the EHC for my headlight....Waaa...Waaaa..Waaa:(........So its time 2 rewire the Bike this winter......

Its either gonna be a M unit or a kit from ultima with HD Hand controls......anyone ever use any of the wiring kits from Ultima,they look awesome!!!:up:! How about other members on here who have installed the M Unit???? Are you happy with it,how is it holding up? Thanks for the input.........:)
 

awg

Guru
You could run the headlight wire to ...say the licence plate lights. May get you through the season at least.
 

Fat_Bastard

Active Member
Hold and Hope... (agree with Kaptin) but Prove EHC is Bad First!

I have a 2004 as well, (Chopper)
"Sounds like" you have proof your EHC is bad...

Read on if you are not sure, or want to compare stories otherwise sorry for the long post.



My Headlight Problem:
Was about 6 months from intermittant headlight problem to flat out dead on the road and the long push home, several times in denial, that it just couldn't be my second EHC was bad! --WTF! but it was...

Please see my other threads on full diagnosis fix and wait time for WirePlus.

IMHO, in your position I would ride with caution, within pushing distance of home...

or carry a couple grand cash or credit card to get you outta trouble, towed and/or a room.

One can only hope it is not your EHC intermittantly slowly failing like all the rest...

**************************copied in from my other thread************************
While I generaly agree with what others have said here...

I had similar electrical problems...
I thought it was a bad EHC but needed to prove it-- before spending $500 on Wire Plus. So I got a wiring diagram, measured voltages in and out of the EHC and at various points. I was able to determine through the voltage faults that the EHC was in fact bad.
Got a new Wire Plus kit (waited many months) and all is OK now.

On balance you may want to search out:
- PDM,
- Rewire Harley style and
- Wire Plus
IMHO I would sincerely think about Rewire Harley style next time; it may cost more in additional controls/switches but it makes it simpler overall if you are going to keep the bike for many years...
Many threads and opinions on this.

Mine on how to determine bad EHC:
************************************************** ******
Check Voltages; Check EHC input & output voltages.

My "EHC" symptoms are:
a) months ago Low-Beam started to intermittantly go out; had to use Hi-Beam only; All else was OK.

b) got New Battery and trickle charged every night. Problem went away two months ago.

c) one month ago Low-Beam out again, Hi-Beam only; bike randomly just lost all power to spark plugs while riding; continued to quit electricaly (no spark, but other lights, horn, turn signals OK, but no Hi-or-Lo beams) Let it sit by side of road for ten minutes then could start and ride it home. (I knew no spark by carrying spare spark plug I connected and held to side of cylinder while cranking.) no signs of weak new battery. All else was OK.

d) rode home, checked voltages:
on same New Battery: 13.5 while on charger, 13.1 off charger; 12.5 dip at startup cranking; started engine --running it charges immediately to 14.2 volts, seems OK. But no Headlight at all.

e) Checked Headlight voltages at bulb connecter:
Yellow wire 10.5, White 7.5; with key ON or engine running. (of course checked/swapped bulbs and jumper wired temporarily off battery to be sure all were working ok).

f) Pulled Connecter to Headlight under gas tank and measured same exact voltages as at Headlight connector; Yellow wire 10.5, White 7.5; Checked ignition wire 12.1 volts.

g) Checked voltages at EHC 50 pin connector while connected and ignition key ON: pins 16 & 17 same yellow and white wires to headlight, same voltages 10.5 and 7.5

I think this means my EHC is bad --cannot get 12 volts out of the EHC to headlight...I can only ride with no headlights for 9 miles or fifteen minutes and bike quits per item c) above. Systems charges because engine cranks fine and all other lights OK all the time.

Just my thoughts... OK back to my Big Mac and Supersize Meal.


UPDATE 7-5-2012
****EHC was in fact Bad****
Just got my Wire Plus Kit and Ignition Key Switch (after a Loooooooong Wait, 3 months!)

It has fixed all my problems per above, bike runs great now even seems slightly stronger at low rpm and idle --perhaps the failing EHC was not allowing strong voltages and current to other areas...

All in all I feel a strong Nuetral to the whole Wire Plus Solution. My 2004 Chopper had no PDM alternative product offering (at that time). Third choice was to rewire Harley style -- out of the question for me, too much money. Had no other reasonable choice; So for $500 and change I expected more from Wire Plus -- a "plug and go" solution.

Pro and Con:
Con:
Installation instructions are very poorly written and lack enough proper helpful photos.
(youtube video helped, showed me the wrong way to mount the modules backwards blocking view of LED's; and they probably thought they were showing you the right way, LOL) Many things omitted... -- and all wires and connectors should have come as more of a "plug and go" set up for the $500 plus... I felt they just built two modules and let you build the rest supplying a few pieces of wire and bunch of connectors. Very expensive and they took my money upfront, pretty much ignored my requests for updates and status and a 3 month wait for fabrication WTF!!!

Pro:
It worked.

Nuff said.

PPS: still running fine as of Aug 13, 2013.
 
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CHOPTOP45

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Hey Danny consider the M unit you won't regret it . I did and never been happier every thing works great plus i now have a security al arm on it. The best thing about it i did it for less than $400.00 including the M unit. Just my 2 cents. PS i'm not good on the computer if anybody has any questions fill free to call me if i can help iwill Butch 904-495-6260 or i will return your call. I will answer on the form if its short and simple.
 
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Diesel Dan

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Cool Thanks guys:flag:........Appreciate the Info,and Thanks Again Butch If I decide to go with the M Unit I will give ya a call for sure!!!!!!:up: HAHA Scary thing is I been riding all over the frickin place with my bike,just with no headlight,bike runs great......

But I realize I'am pushing my luck..........we only got like 3 months of riding weather left,wanna get every last mile in I can before it go"s down for the winter...............
 
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