Another belt sqeak on decel

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phatchopper300

I just wanta ride
I have inspected the belt for tension and alignment. I did notice that the belt was tighter than the bottom of the belt. Is it possible when I had the tire off to replace it that the notches on the belt don't line up with the back rear pulley there for having the top of the belt with the correct amount of tension is tighter then the bottom of the belt. I also thought maybe the belt is stretched. I get a small squeak from the belt when I let off the throttle and coast. Just thinking out loud. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

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standuprick

Active Member
If the belt is flush with the outside of the pulley it is on correctly. If its stick past then it would be off. My thoughts it wouldnt stay off once ridden. Not sure your mileage but could be wear on the belt, pulley or tension. I actually lube mine up every once and a while and it stops. I use armorall to conditon the belt. It does stop the squeak for awhile. Havent noticed any slippage. A friend of mine uses liquid dish soap.
 

BigDogNZ

Member
I have the same prob on my 2000 Vintage Classic. Have had it since I got mag wheels and matching rotors and pulleys fitted under warranty when I kept blowing them spokes out of the original issue. The dealer tore their hair out getting it all to fit. When I complained about the squeak/squeal they adjusted the alignment. After the third attempt they refused to touch it again and ended their BD dealership. So I have been stuck with it the last 10 years. It comes and goes. I try not to decelerate!!!
 

phatchopper300

I just wanta ride
:bang: In reading my post I did not make it clear on what may be the issue. When I take a measurement on the top side of the belt comming out of the rear pully is very little play 1/2" deflection and then take a measurement on the bottom of the belt before in goes into the rear pully the play is double 1"+ the distance of the top of the belt. This is the final drive belt RSD on 06 RB with 26,000 miles. The sqeak is not loud and only does it on decel not very loud. Might just have to put upwith it and put some dry teflon spray and ride! Hope that helps
 

TimNY

Well-Known Member
What dry teflon spray - I have been looking for "Belt Ease" or something
to stop the squealing - had to hear over the pipes but I know it there.
Chirp Chirp CHIRP C H R I P its driving me crazy
 

BigDogBro1

Made in the USA
:bang: In reading my post I did not make it clear on what may be the issue. When I take a measurement on the top side of the belt comming out of the rear pully is very little play 1/2" deflection and then take a measurement on the bottom of the belt before in goes into the rear pully the play is double 1"+ the distance of the top of the belt. This is the final drive belt RSD on 06 RB with 26,000 miles. The sqeak is not loud and only does it on decel not very loud. Might just have to put upwith it and put some dry teflon spray and ride! Hope that helps
Try rolling the bike in reverse a few feet and take another belt measurment.

Bro2 and I both run our secondary drive belt tension looser than spec. They are about 1.0" deflection when pressing downward with moderate finger force.

UPDATE:

1" to 1.25" I feel is too loose now after running several seasons. My rear pulley has some signs of wear so we now run the belts tighter at about 3/4" to 1" movement.



We run with chromed rear pulleys and never had any belt chirp. Looser belt tension also helps increase the rear wheel bearing life.


Try a light rub of bar soap on the edge of the belt closest the rear pulley flange.
 
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BigDogBro1

Made in the USA
Nope. We aren't doing hole shots or beating them either, but we do crank on them from a roll.

I personally think the BDM belt tension spec is way too tight.

UPDATE:

1" to 1.25" I feel is too loose now after running several seasons. My rear pulley has some signs of wear so we now run the belts tighter at about 3/4" to 1" movement.

I've heard from Harley owners that their belt isn't as tight as our Bigdogs.
http://www.hdtalking.com/dyna_models/28669-drive_belt_tension-2.html
 
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keladams

New Member
if you have a non-Teflon coated rear pulley over time the billet aluminum from the pulley transfers to your belt which becomes imbedded and that is why it squeaks. The only long term remedy is to replace the pulley with a Teflon coated one. as far as the tension goes your belt will be tighter on the top if your going forward and looser if your rolling back as that is the side it pulls from and also check your tension while you are sitting on the bike. error on the side of loose versus tight, tight is bad for bearings. Hope this helps and good luck!
 

Jabb

New Member
I had the same problem and some one at BD told me to use Fuchs Hard Surface Conditioner. I spray it on my belt it last for about 500 miles then I do it again.
 

Raywood

The Pirate
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Are you sure its the belt? I would check top motor mounts and maybe tank mounts also.
For the belt after many years I've started using serpentine belt dressing available at any auto parts store



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Fat_Bastard

Active Member
"jabb" got it right for me! CHIRP GONE!

I had the same problem and some one at BD told me to use Fuchs Hard Surface Conditioner. I spray it on my belt it last for about 500 miles then I do it again.
Chirp Noise: Solved, was Secondary Belt & Sprockets needed Lube/clean

I retried many other things twice from my original list of probable causes and potential fixes.

I noticed that after washing my bike, I took a quick ride (this time) while it was somewhat wet and the "chirp" was gone for about 5 minutes, or 2~3 miles of stop and go riding. Chirp came back; I didn't think much of it either way...

But then I decided why not try what "jabb" said. (I had tried other silicone sprays and lubes months before but no change) So I finally found some 'Fuchs Pro Prep Silkolene Maintainer' spray. Sprayed some on, wiped some dirt off and a little excess and rode about an hour -- NO CHIRP !!!!!!

Thanks "bsauer", "1mndg" for steering me in the right direction and a special Thank You to "jabb" for the fix.

This forum is awesome! and has kept my bike runing while saving me thousands on repairs!

More details/fixes on other "rattle" and "chirp" noises on my thread: http://www.bigdogbiker.com/forums/motor/46775-s-s-107-engine-chirp-noise.html#post554032
 

Sven

Well-Known Member
I'm going to take a guess at this, see if it makes sense to you? Remember in jh school you'd have your sneakers on and chirp to class thinking you were some car spinning the tires shifting gears anshit?

You have this belt that is being dug into one side of the belt's UUVVUUUUVVU teeth. Not all U's wear evenly, right? Same goes with the chain rung. Sprocket wise to chain wise, this chain comes around and it has hi/low spots, right?

You can hear someone come along with a bad or dry drive chain by the waaa-waaa-waaa sound, right? So is not the same hi/low spots happening too with belt? So on lift, the belt rides up the other side. Drive side is quiet. Coast side is loud. Same noise like inside the pumpkin of the rear end of a car. Say the pinion bearing is loose? On coast, it makes the contact points stick out away from the drive footprint. So on coast, the footprint goes something like this... Take a wine glass, lick the tip of your finger, now run your finger around the glass so it begins to vibrate and sing some pitch of ringing noise. Notice how the farther out the foot print to the edge of the glass, you now have this harmonic noise of a new, out to the edge footprint.

So as the drive side of the belt wears, there is a gap on the coast side, you lift, the belt rides up the tooth, it sings or chirps as if coasting with a bad ring and pinion set in the pumpkin; to the chain riding up a worn sprocket; is the wider tooth U on the one side; is to spit the U down the middle and you have a deeper wear pocket on the drive side than the coast side. Make sense go look at a worn chain sprocket.

You rub both hands together and you ask yourself which side did not wear a pattern? And now the gap of you pushing the bottom of the belt up, you see how the drive is [set to go tension] wise? The bottom belt is riding under the coast side? So on lift/coast, the bottom rung is tight, the top rung of the belt is loose.

:confused: We on the same page yet?
 

Jacobin

New Member
So this Fuchs spray. Do u just spray it on the whole belt? Just the outside? The belt and pulley? This would b a great fix for my squeaky belt and i would greatly appreciate any info. Thanks again eveyone for all the help ive gotten from u all!!
 

Fat_Bastard

Active Member
So this Fuchs spray. Do u just spray it on the whole belt? Just the outside? The belt and pulley? This would b a great fix for my squeaky belt and i would greatly appreciate any info. Thanks again eveyone for all the help ive gotten from u all!!
Yeah just spray it lightly on the inside (teeth side) of the belt and a little on the bare teeth of the rear pulley. Then I wipe off any over spray or splash wherever it went... I usually do it from 400 to 500 miles of riding depending on conditions...

Belt Alignment is critical too; did mine with a laser and that did the most to quite things down (say 70%).

I have also considered the teflon coating and priced it out at around $575; plus shipping. If I take it apart and put it back together myself.
Have a look: http://www.supermax.net/index.asp

I have heard it works great! (but didn't like when I heard they grind all the teeth off and replace with all teflon and you have to choose a color -- that kinda changes the overall look...).
 
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Jacobin

New Member
Ya i had it looked at and they said the alignment was fine and they told me about the teflon replacement that ur talkin about. Kinda expensive for me at this time so i was excited when i read about the spray. Thanx for the info, definitely gonna try it asap!
 
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