2 more questions

Energy One
1. I'm adjusting the clutch...so far I have full slack in the hand control and the cover off. I went to put my allen wrench in the clutch rod and noticed that there is alot of play there. I can pull the clutch rod with locking nut by hand in and out about 1/8" or more. Is this normal?

2. the hand controls on the right side (gas) I notice alot of play in both 90 degree tubes that enter the control. Is this normal

I'm sure these are newbie questions but hell I'm a newbie so that explains it.

Thanks in advance
 

BadBrad

2005 Pitbull
When you adjust the clutch rod, you may have a little play. Turn the rod all the way in until you make contact, then back off about 1/2 turn and tighten the locking nut. You can take out any more slack from the clutch cable adjuster. Both my cables going into the throttle just kinda hang loose. Adjust the slack out of them but you'll still see that they have the appearance of being loose. Just make sure you adjust them to where they are both up in the holes.
 

Sven

Well-Known Member
1. I can pull the clutch rod with locking nut by hand in and out about 1/8" or more. Is this normal?
2. I notice alot of play in both 90 degree tubes that enter the control. Is this normal
1. Reverse engineering goes like this. I want all the sack out of the cable. No matter my arm that pushes the push rod, I want full extension so at the push side, the push rod is deep inside the clutch basket.

To gain this distance, I may have a thumb wheel at the hand lever perch. No matter how you look at it, hide the threads. Send them home deep into the perch assembly. If you have just a cable with a crack nut and this cable now is the adjuster at the perch, the lever is clean up there now, no thumb wheel; it still says hide the threads into the cable housing. Spin the lock nut up the threads and send it home = Universal.

1. The cable is now at its most slack. This is where you can pull the clutch lever in half way [or more] before you feel the push rod moves the pressure plate. Not only that, you can tell which direction to turn the clutch adjust screw. The more the lever moves away from the grip, the closer your adjust screw is to the push rod. This is the correct direction.

But since the slack is present, you want to more feel that 'no gorilla' moves on the adjust screw but more a feather move. More like you have an ant in between the screw and rod. Once you kiss that [notice how less touch you have the more distance away from even touching the] rod, you back out an 1/4th of a turn.

This is where we have enough heat growth so we are not having the rod, or friction plates expand. We do not want to push on the spring pressure at that pressure plate and lose grip.

Our next step after we lock that down and hold that screw from turning, we can move it out a fraction more, because that bite down on the jam nut, will walk some of the threads; you are done. With that said, take out all the slack out of the cable or those tubes you describe.

At the lever to perch, set your slack at an 1/8th of an inch. There is your slack at the push rod cut in half. You now hardly pull the lever in to shift. This is almost a hair trigger. If you think about it, there is no adjustment on a liquid style lever. There is a constant push on the push rod or else it would seize without having some sort of oil splash on it.

If it rides in a roller bearing cage or a needle bearing pack, it still says, 0 slack at the perch. Your fingers now do the walking. No shiny spot on the back of the lever and a divot in the grip. This is a hair trigger setup; for the more bold.
 

Dawgboy

Active Member
1. Reverse engineering goes like this. I want all the sack out of the cable. No matter my arm that pushes the push rod, I want full extension so at the push side, the push rod is deep inside the clutch basket.

To gain this distance, I may have a thumb wheel at the hand lever perch. No matter how you look at it, hide the threads. Send them home deep into the perch assembly. If you have just a cable with a crack nut and this cable now is the adjuster at the perch, the lever is clean up there now, no thumb wheel; it still says hide the threads into the cable housing. Spin the lock nut up the threads and send it home = Universal.

1. The cable is now at its most slack. This is where you can pull the clutch lever in half way [or more] before you feel the push rod moves the pressure plate. Not only that, you can tell which direction to turn the clutch adjust screw. The more the lever moves away from the grip, the closer your adjust screw is to the push rod. This is the correct direction.

But since the slack is present, you want to more feel that 'no gorilla' moves on the adjust screw but more a feather move. More like you have an ant in between the screw and rod. Once you kiss that [notice how less touch you have the more distance away from even touching the] rod, you back out an 1/4th of a turn.

This is where we have enough heat growth so we are not having the rod, or friction plates expand. We do not want to push on the spring pressure at that pressure plate and lose grip.

Our next step after we lock that down and hold that screw from turning, we can move it out a fraction more, because that bite down on the jam nut, will walk some of the threads; you are done. With that said, take out all the slack out of the cable or those tubes you describe.

At the lever to perch, set your slack at an 1/8th of an inch. There is your slack at the push rod cut in half. You now hardly pull the lever in to shift. This is almost a hair trigger. If you think about it, there is no adjustment on a liquid style lever. There is a constant push on the push rod or else it would seize without having some sort of oil splash on it.

If it rides in a roller bearing cage or a needle bearing pack, it still says, 0 slack at the perch. Your fingers now do the walking. No shiny spot on the back of the lever and a divot in the grip. This is a hair trigger setup; for the more bold.
WTF Sven
 

B RADDD

Active Member
:loony:
1. Reverse engineering goes like this. I want all the sack out of the cable. No matter my arm that pushes the push rod, I want full extension so at the push side, the push rod is deep inside the clutch basket.

To gain this distance, I may have a thumb wheel at the hand lever perch. No matter how you look at it, hide the threads. Send them home deep into the perch assembly. If you have just a cable with a crack nut and this cable now is the adjuster at the perch, the lever is clean up there now, no thumb wheel; it still says hide the threads into the cable housing. Spin the lock nut up the threads and send it home = Universal.

1. The cable is now at its most slack. This is where you can pull the clutch lever in half way [or more] before you feel the push rod moves the pressure plate. Not only that, you can tell which direction to turn the clutch adjust screw. The more the lever moves away from the grip, the closer your adjust screw is to the push rod. This is the correct direction.

But since the slack is present, you want to more feel that 'no gorilla' moves on the adjust screw but more a feather move. More like you have an ant in between the screw and rod. Once you kiss that [notice how less touch you have the more distance away from even touching the] rod, you back out an 1/4th of a turn.

This is where we have enough heat growth so we are not having the rod, or friction plates expand. We do not want to push on the spring pressure at that pressure plate and lose grip.

Our next step after we lock that down and hold that screw from turning, we can move it out a fraction more, because that bite down on the jam nut, will walk some of the threads; you are done. With that said, take out all the slack out of the cable or those tubes you describe.

At the lever to perch, set your slack at an 1/8th of an inch. There is your slack at the push rod cut in half. You now hardly pull the lever in to shift. This is almost a hair trigger. If you think about it, there is no adjustment on a liquid style lever. There is a constant push on the push rod or else it would seize without having some sort of oil splash on it.

If it rides in a roller bearing cage or a needle bearing pack, it still says, 0 slack at the perch. Your fingers now do the walking. No shiny spot on the back of the lever and a divot in the grip. This is a hair trigger setup; for the more bold.
 

BadBrad

2005 Pitbull
Straight from the manual. Sven was right about the 1/4 vrs 1/2 turn out on the pushrod. I'm going from memory and that's dangerous. But you adjust your clutch cable to 1/16", not the 1/8" Sven refered too. He must be going on memory too. Whatever it is, it's strange.

CLUTCH AD,JUSTMENT PROCEDURE
Perform the following clutch adjustment at all scrvicc intervals.
1. Support the motorcycle upright and Icvel.
2. Slide clutch cablc adjuster boot out of the way of adjusting hardware.
3. Turn adjuster lto provide maximum slack in cable.
4. I ,oosen pushrod adjusting scrcw jam nut.
5. Turn pushrod adjustins scrcw clockwise to takc up all free play it1 pushrod.
6. Turn pushsod ad-justing scww counter-clockwise 1 /4 turn.
7. Tighten pushrod adjusting scrcw jam nut to 6-10 fi Ibs. Do not aVow adjusting scrcw to turn
while tightening jam nut.
8. Adjust clutch cablc to provide 1/16" free play at clutch lever.
9, Tighten clutch cable adjuster locknut.
10. Return clutch cable adjuster boot to original position
 

Nukeranger

Nukeranger
Sven says he is building (or at least it indicates) a bike but who knows what he is building and even how it relates to BD.
 

Sven

Well-Known Member
:confused:X2. You are not helping Sven. I have a thumb wheel on my Triumphs but the Big Dogs don't have one up by the clutch lever. What bike(s) do you have? Answer the question and leave out the extra Crap!
Says you. Oh, if we were doing Tri/BSA, that is plate wobble the wobble out of it. This is similar. Did I explain the concave dish has to be flat as a pancake? I can setup clutch pack for pack.

This is generic as it comes. You do not hear me say, 'eye take a jeweler's rat tail file,' dress my friction holes sos it will float on the pegs, which makes N just a snick away.

There is no thumb wheel you are about to see either. There will be zero play once I set it up.

Clutchis Movesmoothe Lever.wmv - YouTube

Cup pull of minutes wasting your time is your choice on that click. Take two aspirin, then sea me in the morning if the boat is still rocking. :roll:
 
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