Blue Balls of Fire fro V & H 2-1

[Satterfield]

Greetings, I have just purchased my BD last week so I don't know really anything about the many weird things that have happened-except that they should not have happened. IN this case I will address fuel/ air/exhaust? I had a new spike filter and the V & H 2 into 1 pipes on when I bought the bike (actually a few days later) When I brought it back to get then on I told them it was backfiring on ac-cell and de-cell, and cutting out at times.

They had the bike for over two days and I went to pick it up and they test drive it again (should have been done) and he made another adjustment. Now I start home after being told it was perfect and bam-it misses and entire "beat". A little later I am "rolling on" just normally and it blows a big blast out of the pipe (as it cut out-chocked-whatever), my buddy said it was blue, I thought he was just saying it looked that way. But the next night I was out and stopped for a moment and rolled on it a little and out comes a bluish) ball of well it looked like flame? I had asked the tech about the "jets" etc. for the pipes and he said he had changed the intermediate but not the "primary", he did not say why. So while forgiving my obvious lack of knowledge on the subject here, any comments would be appreciated:bang:

Thanks in advance, "T"

 

[mobsta]

well some will say the spike will cause problems,some have had problems,i have a spike with no problems,if you put pipes on i would say change both jets,thats just me,

 

[mobsta]

did this happen after the pipes and spike were put on?

 

[mobsta]

just looked at another one of your post about chit in the tank,could have gottin something in the jets,would like to know about when this backfire all started

 

[Satterfield]

I also thought it was odd that he did not change the jets according to the V & H recommendations, I have my doubts he changed them at all. I do not think it is the spike (at least by itself) as it was doing all of these things except the "balls of flame" before the "spike". But it is much more powerful of a problem now. I am trying to get a little background before I go back and lay out what has happened, sometimes "techs" can be "touchy", and I am trying to be cool about all of these problems on a brand new bike (even though it is an 08' on 90 mi. and no title, from BD dealer, I am just not saying which one as I see how this unfolds).

Thanks. "T"

 

[Satterfield]

I just noticed the stuff in the tank yesterday, when I filled up. From what I read here it sounds like it was this "tank liner" they were talking about (and I was trying to get more info on). However, while that is a problem to be dealt with (likely was not supposed to happen until after warranty), I do not think it is the cause of this particular problem. However, only because of the course of events. I do intend of course bringing this up as I was able to collect a small amount of the soft matter.

Thank you.

 

[mobsta]

if it was up around the neck it could be epoxy from around the paint saver,your post is a little confusing,was this cuttn out and backfiring before you put the pipes on and it got worse after putting the pipes and spike on,sorry just need to clarify it

 

[Satterfield]

Okay, it already had the V & H Big R's on it (like street sweepers some call them). I used those for a few days and yes it had the symptoms with those pipes and the stock cleaner. It had more problems after. As far as the tank crap goes it was laying down on the centerpiece that splits the tank, it did appear to look like it had came from around the tank neck area-whatever it was, it was not there for the bikes health and it could not be retrieved. as for "epoxy from around the paint saver", I do not know, should that be in there? See the one fellow had chunks in his tank-to me this looked like "chunks", I am just trying to get educated enough to work with these people and get this very expensive mess cleaned up- so far they have had it as much as I.

I am trying to explain myself as well as I know how and hopefully I can learn by trying. Thank you for taking the time to try and help me. Thank you "T"


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(I have also been trying to figure out how to get a picture of my bike in here)

 

[mobsta]

no problem,just tryn to help out,if this bike had this issue before the changes,this could be something other than carb,maybe electrical,plug wire or ssomething,i do find it hard to believe tank liner already,hope you get it figured out,keep us posted

 

[aspen874]

I have not been able to get my 07 Mastiff to run right with the D&M spike, also have V&H Big Radius 2-2 on my bike. I have tried different jets even changed carb. There are several here with the same problem, if you do a search.

There many guys here that can help, though each bike is a little different and it's a little trial and error sometimes.

Aspen

 

[Satterfield]

Well this might help with the "already" part of the tank liner-if that is in fact what it is. The bike has been there since it came out new in 2008, I am the first owner, it had 95 miles on it-never titled-but it sit there with gas in it for a long time, short test drives now and then, start ups etc. It had a total run time on the bike of just over 9 (nine) hours on its computer print out-never abused in any way-just standard test drive type stuff. The dealer went under and then back up again with a re-organization. Perhaps this may be the explanation for the timeline of the potential tank liner problem. I may have bought a big pile of problems, but it is as brand new with its full 2 yr warranty.

Thanks "T"

 

[mobsta]

like said earlier maybe some of that chit got in the carb and jets,since the tech only replaced one jet,just sayn

 

[BRIANP6776]

i had the same problems on my ridgeback with the same pipes and intake. i took mine to dynomasters close to where i live and they hooked it up to the fuel/air computer thing and changed pilot jet and adjusted accel pump and the whole nine. now it runs like a mofo.

 

[Bowhunter]

"T", it is no big job to drop the bowl on your carb and see if junk has got in your carb.
After you drop the bowl, you can remove the jets and see if they have trash in them and you can check the size jets to see if they have been changed from stock or not.
Big dog sells a standard re-jet kit for the pipes and in my case they worked great! I changed the pipes and re-jetted my bike before I put one mile on it. No big deal if your are mechanically inclined, at least you will have some answers on whether they changed the jets and if trash has got in your carb.

 

[Satterfield]

Stuuf in the tank

if it was up around the neck it could be epoxy from around the paint saver,your post is a little confusing,was this cuttn out and backfiring before you put the pipes on and it got worse after putting the pipes and spike on,sorry just need to clarify it

Today the tech told me that what I had seen was in fact the "paint saver" as you describe, he said it would be caught in the system and dissolve?

Thank you, "T"

 

[Satterfield]

"T", it is no big job to drop the bowl on your carb and see if junk has got in your carb.
After you drop the bowl, you can remove the jets and see if they have trash in them and you can check the size jets to see if they have been changed from stock or not.
Big dog sells a standard re-jet kit for the pipes and in my case they worked great! I changed the pipes and re-jetted my bike before I put one mile on it. No big deal if your are mechanically inclined, at least you will have some answers on whether they changed the jets and if trash has got in your carb.

Bowhunter, unfortunately I lack the mechanical aptitude you describe, I would just wind up making things worse and would be in deeper. You are right about the standard kit and he had no explanation why he had not used it. All they did was adjust it and told me it was good to go, it was for a few miles. Then I discovered how bad the paint problems were-but that I suppose is another saga-thank you for your reply Bowhunter, "T"

 

[Bowhunter]

You are welcome Big T, if you lived close I would walk you through it at my house. I would think that in the area where you live there are some fellow members that have the skill to help you out. Good luck on getting this worked out, I learned a long time ago to do everything myself I could so that I would be satisfied with the end result.

 

[sh8kr]

T, for what it's worth run from the tech who said the tank liner or epoxy will disolve, probably hoping your jetting issues will cure themselves the same way. Now, put your bike on a trailer and head over to John Sachs in Plantation City Fl. he will get you taken care of. John is a member on this forum and has many years experience with motorcycles.
Steve C

 

[Satterfield]

sh8kr, I think you may be right, today they have the bike back again for another multi-day session (they gave me no timeline) . The tech tells me that is going to solve its problem this time, whatever it takes. I think he may have decided (according to what he told me) that it may be some of the things he chose to over look, such as the "jetting" (not getting enough gas) he also thinks there may be a leak in the intake, Though it is not relevant to this thread, the paint on the bike has been treated roughly since they had it at the dealership for the better part of two years-I could not see all of the damage in the sunlight until I got it home under some work lights in my garage-they insist that a "detail person" will be able to make it as new (which is how I bought it) but I do not think it is possible from where it is. Also, I do not think I bike sold as new should have to have a coat removed to try and make the paint look right. I don't know what my re-course will be after this paint does not work. But I have to do something as you guys know the kind of investment these bikes are and I paid cash for mine.

Thank you everyone for tolerating my obvious lack of knowledge in these matters, this is a great forum with a lot of good people-the best I have ever come across, Thanks again. "T"

 

[jerr-06k9]

I have the same pipes and I had to change to 78 m 31 i
jet to run good. No problems seens