Leaking primary!

[BadBrad]

Hey guys and gals. I have an ongoing issue with the 2 forward bolts on my primary getting loose and having fluid cover the bike. I've used red locktite, but still the bolts find a way to get loose. :angry: Does anyone use a lock washer with these bolts? Mine never had 'em, so I haven't put any on there. The bolts are the top and bottom bolts in the front of the primary. Looking for a permanent solution but not so permanent that I can't get them off when needed. I figured the red locktite would work but saw where the bike was leaking after a 100 mile ride. This has been a problem since day 1. :bang:
Thanks,
Brad

 

[BadBrad]

Damn! 11 views and no replies? Am I the only one that has this problem? No personal opinions? No smartass remarks from Dead or Eric? Being from MS, at the very least I expected someone would say to use possum belly lard or coon snot to keep my bolts in place. Now then, that should stir up a few replies!!!

 

[Vegas]

Your about as impatient as a crack whore. Did you spray the hole out with brake clean and blow it out with compressed air? Are you certain the bolts are long enough? Red loctite will hold anything if it has time to set up properly and it's in a clean hole. I'd probably go with blue so you can actually get it back out or find a small lock washer as stated.

 

[Eric]

alright I just found this.... you ask for it....... try old cooking oil out of a fast food joint...I service these damm places,, & there equipment has so much old greese dried on it nothing will come lose... you would think the oppisite....:lol:.. you might try to jisim on it...,, your good @ that arnt ya...that shit will stick stuff together,,,, ok have you tried to clean the threads well so the loctite will bond.. I'd chase the threads,, on both the bolts & the inner primary,, then loctite it.. I'd use break clean to dry out & taped hole.. dude are you sure the bolt is the correct lenght,, not to long & bottoming out,,,oh thats right you said you never bottom out. do ya..:roll:

 

[twowheel99]

Has the primary been removed before? Are all the bolts installed into there right location? Are you cleaning the holes out with either starting fluid or brakleen and chashing each hole with a tap? Are you cleaning all the crap off of each bolt with a wire brush or better yet a bench grinder with a wire brush wheel? Are you sure that the Lock-tite your using is still good or is it 20 years old? Are you using the proper Primary gasket? Have you placed a flat edge along the primary & the primay cover to make sure they are straight and not warped? Are you using a torque wrench and the correct torque settings? Once you've check all of these things out then report back to us with your findings.
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[05chop]

Make sure you do not have a rolled oring on the primary cover the oring is only good for a few then it has to be replaced.I do not recommend red locktite because it a bitch to remove the bolts red locktite has its place.Brad you could also check your bolt threads possible bolts have been overstretched from to much torq.

 

[Raywood]

Use a tap in the threads and clean it with brake clean as already mentions. You should do this with all the bolts and threads when you pull something apart.
Should fix you up.

 

[Shane]

Vegas said " are you sure its a clean hole"

 

[BadBrad]

Has the primary been removed before? Are all the bolts installed into there right location? Are you cleaning the holes out with either starting fluid or brakleen and chashing each hole with a tap? Are you cleaning all the crap off of each bolt with a wire brush or better yet a bench grinder with a wire brush wheel? Are you sure that the Lock-tite your using is still good or is it 20 years old? Are you using the proper Primary gasket? Have you placed a flat edge along the primary & the primay cover to make sure they are straight and not warped? Are you using a torque wrench and the correct torque settings? Once you've check all of these things out then report back to us with your findings.
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Well, I'll reply to 2's quote since he seems to have the most questions. 1) Yes, the primary has been removed before. 2) Not sure if the bolts were all put back in the same holes, but I thought they were. 3) I cleaned the holes out with Acetone and a small bore gun cleaner attachment (cotton?) for about the same size bolt hole. 4) I did not chase the hole with a tap. 5) I cleaned the bolts with Acetone and a clean rag. 6) Lock tite was purchased this week, so yes, it's new. 7) I have not placed a str8 edge on the primary, but it never leaks as long as the bolts are snug.....never. 8) I have a torque wrench but did not use it to tighten to specs :loony: It's at the house in MS. My bike is still a coonass residing in LA.

That answers most the others as well. It looks like I probably need to make sure I have the right length of bolts in the holes (anyone know what that is?) and get a tap set to clean the holes out prior to assembly. I used blue locktite yesterday when I put them back in. Once again, cleaned holes with acetone and small caliber cotton cleaner. Does anyone ever use lock washers? I feel pretty good that the gasket/o-ring is in good shape. It never leaks a drop as long as the 2 front bolts are snug.

And if anyone knows that I don't bottom out, Eric does! I thought I was doing good to get past 8" of ass to even find a hole. :roll::roll::roll:

 

[RubWhore]

Well.I`ll through my two scents into this...all 14 bolts are 1/4 20 by 1 in so there is no way to put the wrong bolts into the holes I loooked that one up on PBS Warranty,the bolts for the derby ect are all 1/4 20 by1/2in

 

[BadBrad]

Well.I`ll through my two scents into this...all 14 bolts are 1/4 20 by 1 in so there is no way to put the wrong bolts into the holes I loooked that one up on PBS Warranty,the bolts for the derby ect are all 1/4 20 by1/2in

Thanks Bill. My manual just stated that they were primary motor bolts 1" in length. Wasn't sure of the thread count. One looks kinda worn so I'll pick up a couple more just for good measure.

 

[twowheel99]

Brad,
This is what I do when I remove a primary, I have a 18 count egg carton that I number 1-18 then as I remove each bolt I place them in the number where I started. I clean each bolt with either starting fluid or Brakleen and a wire brush, I then clean each hole with the same using the correct tap. Your bike is a 2005 so it should have come with O-rings but I know the have changed to a gasket, never reuse the gasket or O-rings unless your in a pinch and don't have access. I clean both mounting surfaces with a Scotch-Brite and Brakleen being very careful not to scare the surface. I use a product call Yama-Bond on the gasket surfaces and I use blue loc-tite on the bolt threads. Install the cover with all the bolts inserted but only hand tight, then follow the tighten sequ. and torque to the correct specs. usually you start from the middle top then bottom and work your way out each way one by one. I usually start at a lower setting and work my way up to the factory torque setting. After I'm sure its all correct I fill the chaincase with the proper amount of fluid and I have never had one leak. I know this sounds like a pain in the ass but I don't like leaks and have found that this works for me. If any of the bolts look rounded or distorted buy new ones. I hope that I haven't made this too complicated, just take your time and follow this method and you should be good to go. Sorry for the first post with so many questions but I can't help someone until you know what's going on.....
Good Luck
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[Eric]

brad so your sayin you nail a ass ... & its 8in deep in but cheeks.... wow sounds like you & rub do know each other... as far as the leak you should be covered now.....

 

[BadBrad]

Well.I`ll through my two scents into this...all 14 bolts are 1/4 20 by 1 in so there is no way to put the wrong bolts into the holes I loooked that one up on PBS Warranty,the bolts for the derby ect are all 1/4 20 by1/2in

After looking at the bolts, I'm sure that we're talking about different bolts. The ones you are referring to are the smaller bolts that hold the outer primary housing to the inner primary houseing. The bolts I'm referring to are the 2 front bolts that hold the inner primary housing to the block. I want to say they are 5/16 with an 18 thread. The manual only states that they are motor bolts 1" in length. I think the reason no one uses lock washers is because there's no room for the washer. The round allen bolt head just does fit inside the hole. A lock washer is slightly larger than the head and most likely will not go inside the counter sunk hole. I lost one of the bolts before and replaced it. I may have gone back with a 1 1/4" bolt that may be bottoming out.

Eric,
Don't be hatin' Rub. I'll take care of you in PCB.

 

[Eric]

just as long as you aint tring to do any kinky shit.... I dont play for that team,,,,you & rub can have all the man dates you want.. just let rocky hang with us straight folks.....:lol: we will cover for ya... hope you get your leak fixed.. all the right things have been covered... I was gona mention as 2 did about checking for flatness. if the listed things checked out....

 

[TheDeadOne]

Your about as impatient as a crack whore.

That's Brad!

And if anyone knows that I don't bottom out, Eric does!

They must be "Buttys"!


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Try checking the "o-rings"....not Erics "brown hole ring"! :lol:

 

[BadBrad]

They must be "Buttys"!


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Where have you been hiden? I thought you died! After I graciously invited you to come on board with your vast knowledge of useless information, you only reply with this? Do me a favor. Get on your hotline to John Sachs, then get back up with me with some information that is relevent to this thread. Good God Almighty Jeff!!! I was so hoping for some long, drawn out electrical theory for why bolts don't stay put. You have truly disappointed me. Well, it's time for me to get the hell outa' here. Work day is done. See you guys tomorrow. Thanks to those of you that helped out!

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[twowheel99]

After looking at the bolts, I'm sure that we're talking about different bolts. The ones you are referring to are the smaller bolts that hold the outer primary housing to the inner primary houseing. The bolts I'm referring to are the 2 front bolts that hold the inner primary housing to the block. I want to say they are 5/16 with an 18 thread. The manual only states that they are motor bolts 1" in length. I think the reason no one uses lock washers is because there's no room for the washer. The round allen bolt head just does fit inside the hole. A lock washer is slightly larger than the head and most likely will not go inside the counter sunk hole. I lost one of the bolts before and replaced it. I may have gone back with a 1 1/4" bolt that may be bottoming out.

Eric,
Don't be hatin' Rub. I'll take care of you in PCB.

There is also a rubber O-ring where the inner primary bolts to the engine case, like you said you replaced the bolts and maybe they are too long. Take a coathanger and cut off a section to the straight part. Slide it into the hole until it bottoms out, then buy your self some new bolts that are the correct lenght and clean the treads that go into the engine case and install using the correct loc-tite and the correct torque specs. Let us know how it turns out....
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[BadBrad]

That's Brad!





They must be "Buttys"!


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Try checking the "o-rings"....not Erics "brown hole ring"! :lol:

Using Dead's pic, the bolts I'm talking about are #36.

 

[Eric]

That's Brad!





They must be "Buttys"!


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Try checking the "o-rings"....not Erics "brown hole ring"! :lol:

Oh ok I got ya dead.... are you sayin brad has to use something to help get it up????? how do ya know???? :loony: