scubaman15
Well-Known Member
I want to run The Amsoil Filter is it the 137C ???? 07 CHOPPER 117ss
S&S oil filters
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Black Dawg
Active Member
I switched from the HD filter to the Amsoil EaoM134c a few months back, no issues.
bdmridgeback
Low Down Chop Shop
K&P All the way!!! I'm done throwing money away on chrome filters.
Not because I sell them, I owned one before I even started carrying the K&P filters.
Not because I sell them, I owned one before I even started carrying the K&P filters.
Fibersnake
Banjo Playing PsychoBilly
On the oil filter that S & S is suggesting and comparing it to the HD filter, which one of the HD filter are they using as a base. HD has verious filters and the typical 77a used to meet the 30 micron rating.
Also I just looked on the S&S tech pages and did not see where they say HD Evo style not being good enough, just see them talking about 10 Micron and 30 Micron and the 10 being for the Twin Cam. To the best of my knowledge the HD 77A was designed for the Evo style engines and are rated for 30 micron, though I could be wrong.
When looking on the S&S sight all I see is a listing for 84 and up Big Twin indicating filters smaller particles, but does not give a break down.
Though there are many good filters out there, with proper oil change intervals and maintenance, to the best of my knowledge there is absolutly nothing wrong with the HD Evo style 77A filters and have been used on many S & S for years with no issues. Key is to change oil and filters routinely and not get to fine a micron rating such as the newer HD Superpremium rated at 5 micron.
Also I just looked on the S&S tech pages and did not see where they say HD Evo style not being good enough, just see them talking about 10 Micron and 30 Micron and the 10 being for the Twin Cam. To the best of my knowledge the HD 77A was designed for the Evo style engines and are rated for 30 micron, though I could be wrong.
When looking on the S&S sight all I see is a listing for 84 and up Big Twin indicating filters smaller particles, but does not give a break down.
Though there are many good filters out there, with proper oil change intervals and maintenance, to the best of my knowledge there is absolutly nothing wrong with the HD Evo style 77A filters and have been used on many S & S for years with no issues. Key is to change oil and filters routinely and not get to fine a micron rating such as the newer HD Superpremium rated at 5 micron.
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Fibersnake
Banjo Playing PsychoBilly
Black dawg wrote "HD recommends this filter as an upgrade to 99'+ evos. I dunno"
Good point however, HD is slowly phasing out parts for the Evo and I do not trust their change of tactics over the year. They found that the original Evo was not fine enough for the Twin Cam and came out with the finer 10 micron. Then they made it that TC filters are not designed for the Evo.
Now all of a sudden their new filter is good for both!!! Then again years ago the stuck by the synthectic oil not being good enough, or at least until they came up with their own and all of a sudden not only was it good enough, but supposidely good enough to use in primary and tranny also.
For some reason I have a feeling that HD tends to come up with new product to meet the new stuff and will phase out the old stuff and then say such and such will take care of the old also. May very well be but it does seem that they are more interested in cutting down the amount of parts variety and not supporting the older style as much knowing that if you have problems it will not be a warranty issue anyway.
Good point however, HD is slowly phasing out parts for the Evo and I do not trust their change of tactics over the year. They found that the original Evo was not fine enough for the Twin Cam and came out with the finer 10 micron. Then they made it that TC filters are not designed for the Evo.
Now all of a sudden their new filter is good for both!!! Then again years ago the stuck by the synthectic oil not being good enough, or at least until they came up with their own and all of a sudden not only was it good enough, but supposidely good enough to use in primary and tranny also.
For some reason I have a feeling that HD tends to come up with new product to meet the new stuff and will phase out the old stuff and then say such and such will take care of the old also. May very well be but it does seem that they are more interested in cutting down the amount of parts variety and not supporting the older style as much knowing that if you have problems it will not be a warranty issue anyway.
Fibersnake
Banjo Playing PsychoBilly
Sulconst,
Excellent info as always and good point about the anti-drain back. I know that was discussed many times previous on the old forum and if recall right the 77A also does not have the AD valve.
Safe riding and enjoy the RTTS, do not think I will make it since I still have my bike apart and the wife has some Honey Do's that she want me get on.
Excellent info as always and good point about the anti-drain back. I know that was discussed many times previous on the old forum and if recall right the 77A also does not have the AD valve.
Safe riding and enjoy the RTTS, do not think I will make it since I still have my bike apart and the wife has some Honey Do's that she want me get on.
txchopperguy
Well-Known Member
On a similar note, I received an explanation recently as to why S&S allows the use of syn oils for the engine, but Big Dog does not recommend it...
Big Dog (untill now) was installing their own oil pumps in these engines, and they were of a higher volume than that of the original S&S pumps...since the syn oils have a lower viscosity, there has was alot of concern that the syn oils would not have sufficient oil pressure in a Big Dog . Hence the conflicting recommendations.
Now that Big Dog is no longer "tampering" (for lack of a better term) with the engines and they are being built completely by S&S, it is expected that Big Dog will soon also agree with the use of syn oils in the engines.
This person also told me that while he is not aware of any problems or damage caused by using the syn oils, it would be a really good idea to have an external oil pressure gauge to make sure everythings is always ok...do not rely on the light.
Just though you would like to know.
Big Dog (untill now) was installing their own oil pumps in these engines, and they were of a higher volume than that of the original S&S pumps...since the syn oils have a lower viscosity, there has was alot of concern that the syn oils would not have sufficient oil pressure in a Big Dog . Hence the conflicting recommendations.
Now that Big Dog is no longer "tampering" (for lack of a better term) with the engines and they are being built completely by S&S, it is expected that Big Dog will soon also agree with the use of syn oils in the engines.
This person also told me that while he is not aware of any problems or damage caused by using the syn oils, it would be a really good idea to have an external oil pressure gauge to make sure everythings is always ok...do not rely on the light.
Just though you would like to know.
Fibersnake
Banjo Playing PsychoBilly
txchopperguy,
Never seen where BDM wrote or stated anywhere that Synthetic is not recommended. My O & M states recommend 20W50 V-Twin Oil but does not say it can not be synthetic or only use dino. The Mobile 1 V-twin is 20W50 V-Twin oil. To be trufull the only mention of synthetic is only the Transmission Lubricant where the O&M states that "Harley synthetic lubircant is NOT recomended for use in Big Dog Motorcycles transmissions".
Also the part about the lower viscosity, not sure how they got that since a 20W-50 SAE rating is the same be it synthetic or dino. Thus the same viscosity rating based on the SAE rating using ASTM standarized test.
By chance the info you got, was it from a Service Manual or O & M, or was this something passed verbaly from a dealer or the factory. Just curious!
Also on my 2005 it has a S&S HVLP Oil Pump and to the best of my knowledge it not a BDM specific item.
Never seen where BDM wrote or stated anywhere that Synthetic is not recommended. My O & M states recommend 20W50 V-Twin Oil but does not say it can not be synthetic or only use dino. The Mobile 1 V-twin is 20W50 V-Twin oil. To be trufull the only mention of synthetic is only the Transmission Lubricant where the O&M states that "Harley synthetic lubircant is NOT recomended for use in Big Dog Motorcycles transmissions".
Also the part about the lower viscosity, not sure how they got that since a 20W-50 SAE rating is the same be it synthetic or dino. Thus the same viscosity rating based on the SAE rating using ASTM standarized test.
By chance the info you got, was it from a Service Manual or O & M, or was this something passed verbaly from a dealer or the factory. Just curious!
Also on my 2005 it has a S&S HVLP Oil Pump and to the best of my knowledge it not a BDM specific item.
PackedFunk
Banned
Wix oil filters
I contacted Wix oil filters recently & they told me they are developing a 5 micron filter to replace the current 51348 filter for all Evo & Twin cam engines. The new material being used will cause no more back pressure than the currant 21 micron filter for these applications.
Always use Wix filters because the bypass valve is on the bottom above the ant-drainback valve. Other filters put it on the top where it washes over dirty filter paper before it bypasses. This it extremely important. All Wix filters are made in U.S.A.
I contacted Wix oil filters recently & they told me they are developing a 5 micron filter to replace the current 51348 filter for all Evo & Twin cam engines. The new material being used will cause no more back pressure than the currant 21 micron filter for these applications.
Always use Wix filters because the bypass valve is on the bottom above the ant-drainback valve. Other filters put it on the top where it washes over dirty filter paper before it bypasses. This it extremely important. All Wix filters are made in U.S.A.
MARV
Well-Known Member
That sure is a lot of excellent, but conflicting knowledge for new dog owners to absorb.Can't we just all get along and agree on one filter, one fluid, one gas, one tire and that the pitbull is the best of all Big Dog models built? :roll:
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maybe if they get rid of the ejection seat when you hit a pothole!
BadBrad
2005 Pitbull
Actually, that's a built in safety feature to allow space between you and the bike so that bowel gasses can escape and help prevent constipation. Al Gore was against the production of this bike due to increased methane entering the atmosphere and causing global warming. :roll::roll:maybe if they get rid of the ejection seat when you hit a pothole!
mcgroom
Well-Known Member
Don't forget, none of us would be on here if it wasn't for Gore.....
T.Byrd
Well-Known Member
I second that and I've been running one for 2 years now with no problem. :2thumbs:Same as slow.....
I am going to go with the K&P filter......Ray is the expert on that.....and his miles on his bike speaks for itself!
Throttle Jockey
Don't Look at my Member!
How do you tell which oil pump is in an 05 Ridgeback?
TJ
TJ