GDOG_PITBULL
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If anyone has one of these they want to part with please let me know.
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WTB: AR, AK or SKS
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jwoolf
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If I were you, of the three you mention, I'd go with the AR-15. It may be more expensive but, once you get it, you can do a lot of accuracy improvements to it and make it shoot almost as good as a bolt gun if you ever decide to. Ammo is also pretty cheap to find for a 5.56.... although, I guess the russian ammo is pretty cheap too.
On the AR-15 there are endless modifications you can do to make it what you're looking to shoot though. ( just keep that in the back of your head )
I guess it really all depends on what you plan to do with it.
As for my M1A, it used to be a match rifle that I used to shoot the High Power service rifle competitions with but, since I don't do that anymore because, to my knowledge, there isn't anyone around my area doing that, I'll turn it into a tactical rifle. It should be pretty fun to boar hunt with. Around here, there are so many wild pigs that some ranchers will almost beg you to come and shoot them. There is no season on them because they're a pest and, they taste good too. LOL
Hey, you also have the option to build your own AR-15. You can buy everything except the reciever mail order ( the reciever has the serial numbers on it so you have to buy that from someone with a federal firearms license )and you can tailor make the rifle you want if you choose to go that route. You'll also save some serious money going that route. Hell, an AR-15 can go from anywhere from 1100.00 to 2000.00 depending on how it's set up. Again, are you trying to shoot sub MOA groups with it or just throw lead downrange?
For example, the standard M1A goes for about 1300.00 but, an M1A SuperMatch with the heavy bbl and, all the high tolorance upgrades, glass bedding etc goes for about 2900.00. Big difference in price.
Again, I guess it's really all about what you're going to do with it etc. If it were me, I'd build my own and shop the parts hard to come up with the best suited components for the cheapest price AND, you'll get an intimate knowledge of the gun itself by doing so.... and, you won't end up with spare parts by having to upgrade parts later. For example, I wouldn't buy an AR that didn't have a 1/7 twist barrel but, the options don't stop there. Do you want a match barrel? How long? Do you want a heavy barrel? How about the stock? LOL I personally would have fun with it. There are a million guys on the internet that will sell and ship to your door all the parts except the lower reciever frame and even that you can buy online and have shippd to a gun dealer near you who will charge you a transfer fee for the service.
ar-15 parts - Google Search
All of this thought has got me wanting an AR-10 now..... ( it's the 7.62 Nato version of the AR-15 ) All the features of the AR-15 except the whollup of the big 308 round.
On the AR-15 there are endless modifications you can do to make it what you're looking to shoot though. ( just keep that in the back of your head )
I guess it really all depends on what you plan to do with it.
As for my M1A, it used to be a match rifle that I used to shoot the High Power service rifle competitions with but, since I don't do that anymore because, to my knowledge, there isn't anyone around my area doing that, I'll turn it into a tactical rifle. It should be pretty fun to boar hunt with. Around here, there are so many wild pigs that some ranchers will almost beg you to come and shoot them. There is no season on them because they're a pest and, they taste good too. LOL
Hey, you also have the option to build your own AR-15. You can buy everything except the reciever mail order ( the reciever has the serial numbers on it so you have to buy that from someone with a federal firearms license )and you can tailor make the rifle you want if you choose to go that route. You'll also save some serious money going that route. Hell, an AR-15 can go from anywhere from 1100.00 to 2000.00 depending on how it's set up. Again, are you trying to shoot sub MOA groups with it or just throw lead downrange?
For example, the standard M1A goes for about 1300.00 but, an M1A SuperMatch with the heavy bbl and, all the high tolorance upgrades, glass bedding etc goes for about 2900.00. Big difference in price.
Again, I guess it's really all about what you're going to do with it etc. If it were me, I'd build my own and shop the parts hard to come up with the best suited components for the cheapest price AND, you'll get an intimate knowledge of the gun itself by doing so.... and, you won't end up with spare parts by having to upgrade parts later. For example, I wouldn't buy an AR that didn't have a 1/7 twist barrel but, the options don't stop there. Do you want a match barrel? How long? Do you want a heavy barrel? How about the stock? LOL I personally would have fun with it. There are a million guys on the internet that will sell and ship to your door all the parts except the lower reciever frame and even that you can buy online and have shippd to a gun dealer near you who will charge you a transfer fee for the service.
ar-15 parts - Google Search
All of this thought has got me wanting an AR-10 now..... ( it's the 7.62 Nato version of the AR-15 ) All the features of the AR-15 except the whollup of the big 308 round.
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GDOG_PITBULL
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Great information thanks! I would love to build my own, just do not know these guns like my .45's.
Keep it coming guys and thanks
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Keep it coming guys and thanks
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GDOG_PITBULL
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Holy shit yea, expensive. I may as well look at HK stuff. Nice toy you have there!
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It's a little pricey but I'm really happy with my Sig 556. If you go that route don't get the Sig Holo sight, it's junk, save the money for something better.
scubaman15
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I just have to add ..that hear in good old VA we have gun shows almost on a monthly basis and I picked up a brand new ...Yugo SKS "still in the cosmoline " was a bitch to clean up and get ready to shoot but hell I paid 99.00 dollars for a 7.62-39 / its the middle one "the one with the launcher and bayonet" its just cool and CHEEP fun and shoots pretty dam good . Its not in the league of AR15s but its one twenthy of the cost! go have fun !
GDOG_PITBULL
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It is the bang for the buck!......ar...ar...ar
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I just have to add ..that hear in good old VA we have gun shows almost on a monthly basis and I picked up a brand new ...Yugo SKS "still in the cosmoline " was a bitch to clean up and get ready to shoot but hell I paid 99.00 dollars for a 7.62-39 / its the middle one "the one with the launcher and bayonet" its just cool and CHEEP fun and shoots pretty dam good . Its not in the league of AR15s but its one twenthy of the cost! go have fun !
jwoolf
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I saw on a forum somewhere that if you just buy it in two pieces you'll save like 400.00 since the retail on them is like 1500.00 and, you can get the two pieces for 1100.00.
If you break it down further, you can really customize them and tailer them to exactly what you want. If I were you I'd also give some serious consideration to the AR-10. Like I said, it looks exactly like an AR-15 except is chambers a 308 Winchester round. ( actually, it's a 7.62x51 NATO round for most intents and purposes you can just shoot 308 Winchester in it although I only shoot Match 7.62 in my M1A )
jwoolf
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This is kind of interesting if you've never learned how to use mil-dots in the scope rectical to find the range to a target. Also, you can do the demo to test out how you've learned it and try to shoot targets at ranges you guess at with a ballistics table with wind. It's pretty cool.
To get the range to a target, you:
size of target in yards ( from top to bottom ) / size of target in mil-dot or milradians X 1000
So, if a target is 30" from top to bottom, and the size of the target in the scope is exactly 1 mil-dot in length, the formula is:
( 30/36 ) / 1 X 1000 = 833 yards away. ( or you just just buy a laser rangfinder ) haha
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To get the range to a target, you:
size of target in yards ( from top to bottom ) / size of target in mil-dot or milradians X 1000
So, if a target is 30" from top to bottom, and the size of the target in the scope is exactly 1 mil-dot in length, the formula is:
( 30/36 ) / 1 X 1000 = 833 yards away. ( or you just just buy a laser rangfinder ) haha
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GDOG_PITBULL
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Wow, there is a ton of stuff that I am unaware of being that I went the DoD contractor route vs. enlisting. Thanks for the cool info. Wolf!
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scubaman15
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Wolf, you being an M1A man (M14) you know THAT is the platform to have for long range play. The AR is a beutiful rifle and I have built dozens and have a few around here and there
(I have a LRB M14 I built a few years ago) BUT as you know it shits where it sleeps. Very dirty, If going with a .308 or 7.62x51 (pretty much the same thing) I'd stay with the M1A platform.You can't beat an AR for CQB and out to 300m, but after that the 7.62x51 excells!
Why engage zombies with fist, when you can drop lead on his noggin from afar....:lol:
jwoolf
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Yeah, I guess the BIGGEST difference is the projectile. You're firing an 85gr bullet vs a 173gr bullet. Which will be more stable and do the best overall when it gets there.
Wolf, you being an M1A man (M14) you know THAT is the platform to have for long range play. The AR is a beutiful rifle and I have built dozens and have a few around here and there
You can't beat an AR for CQB and out to 300m, but after that the 7.62x51 excells!
Why engage zombies with fist, when you can drop lead on his noggin from afar....:lol:
Back when I was shooting High Power Service Rifle in the late 70's and 80's it was ONLY 30 caliber rifles, 99 percent M14 and M1A and a few would shoot the Garand but now, everyone is shooting M16 AR-15. Now, I've never seen it done but, apparently they can get an AR to shoot pretty well out to 600yds now.
If you're asking if I'd do it? I wouldn't because if an AR bullet hit you at 600yds, it'd probably just bounce off your shirt.
Just kidding but, you can not deny that a light bullet slows down faster and isn't as stable in the wind. Throw a nerf ball and a baseball in a hurricane and what happens to the nerf ball?But, you can't deny that there are some of the best in the world taking them to 600yds..... now, I wouldn't think you could take one ANY further than that. You'll never see a 5.56 round being used in a 1000yd match, I can pretty much guarantee that but, I hear they're getting good results with a 1/7 twist barrel out to 600. I think my M1A is either 1/10 or 1/11, I don't remember so, it's a light bullet they're using in the AR but, they're spinning the shit out of it to stabilize it for the long flight downrange. But, the point is that they're having to compensate with a special high twist ratio barrel to stabilize a light bullet to get the results they want to shoot it that far. I wonder how fast those barrels wear out with that much load being put on them?
There's nothing wrong with an AR but, IMHO the only thing that is a detriment to them is the 5.56 ( 223 ) round. Well, I never liked setting the elevation my turning the front sight post much either but, that problem goes away when you attach some optics to it.
I'm like you, I think it's a GREAT gun matched with a great round to take out to about 300yds but, after that, it really loses a lot... mostly because it isn't a brusiser of a round anyway. It used to be quoted that their effective range was 400m, which it probably about right. It's only a 22 caliber round in the first place, by the time it gets to 600yds it'll probably do less than the little .22 in your closet will do shooting cans in the backyard.
If you want something that knocks shit down in a service rifle, get something that shoots 7.62x51 NATO, IMHO.... or, the 50 BMG Barrett Haha Of course they cost a shitload of money and, you don't want to buy bullets for it. Shit, I'm not sure a standard reloading press would even be able to reload a 50 BMG and, it's probably break your arm trying to resize the cases and, I'm sure you'd almost need a machine shop to trim the cases! hahah
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You can not as you suspected reload .50 with a standard reloader. I know, I've looked. You have to buy a special press. and do the trimming on the lathe. I've yet to get the .50, but it's on order. Serbu .50 BMG. Should be in anyday, I'll take a pic, and post it. :2thumbs:
Fun shit, High power! Never shot a match, but watched them, and we routinely shoot 300m out on my prop. Open sights of course. We do some glass shooting, but it's just so cool to beable to drop them rounds on a target with open sights.
and do the trimming on the lathe. I've yet to get the .50, but it's on order. Serbu .50 BMG. Should be in anyday, I'll take a pic, and post it. :2thumbs: Fun shit, High power! Never shot a match, but watched them, and we routinely shoot 300m out on my prop. Open sights of course. We do some glass shooting, but it's just so cool to beable to drop them rounds on a target with open sights.
jwoolf
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Yeah, all my match shooting was done with iron sights. It adds some complexity, to be sure. For example, when shooting out at 600yds, you'd have to change your sights if a cloud comes over. The reason is that at 600yds the mirage in front of the target makes it LOOK like the target is actually flatter than it is. The less light, the less distortion.You can not as you suspected reload .50 with a standard reloader. I know, I've looked. You have to buy a special press.
Fun shit, High power! Never shot a match, but watched them, and we routinely shoot 300m out on my prop. Open sights of course. We do some glass shooting, but it's just so cool to beable to drop them rounds on a target with open sights.
Man, I miss those days.
So many details... don't let your bullets lie in the sun because when they heat up they shoot higher. If you chamber a round, you better be ready to shoot it or otherwise, if it's in a hot gun for too long, it will tend to shoot high. Watch the wind flags, don't shoot if you feel the wind change on your face, make sure and use your spotting scope between rounds to focus it on the mirage in front of the target about 150yds to make sure the wind flags aren't lying. It all seems like it's over the top with details but, ANY mistake and, you're going to end up with a bad shot. At 600yds, the X ring is only 6". That's one MOA. There aren't many gas guns that will even shoot sub MOA groups on a bench... much less try to shoot them at 600yds in the wind.
At 200yds, the wind is almost not a factor. At 300, it becomes a factor but, not more than 2 or 3 MOA usually, at 600, it's make or break time. You could have a wind that will move the bullet 80". ( that's almost 7' ) Range is also very important out there too. The bullet it in a pretty steep arc at 600yds and missing the range by 10yds might make you shoot 2" low out that far. ( I'm talking about a 7.62 round )
jwoolf
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You can not as you suspected reload .50 with a standard reloader. I know, I've looked. You have to buy a special press.
Fun shit, High power! Never shot a match, but watched them, and we routinely shoot 300m out on my prop. Open sights of course. We do some glass shooting, but it's just so cool to beable to drop them rounds on a target with open sights.
Shit, you ought to be able to do some SERIOUS CRAZY long distance stuff with that thing!!!!!!!!
I think the muzzle velocity is higher than the 7.62 round and instead of shooting 173gr bullets, it shoots like 600-700gr bullets! That ought to take wind almost out of the picture or at least make it managable/predictable out to a LONG distance!!!
In Iraq, one of our snipers shot and killed a guy with one of those 50 BMG's at 2400yds! ( almost 1.4 miles ) It broke Carlos Hathcock's record. Of course this guy was using much better equipment. ( Carlos modified a browning machine gun and mounted a 10x scope to it ) LOL
One day, I'll get one too. I have to. LOL
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