5th wheel toy haulers,

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mastiffdave

Well-Known Member
Never trust some idiot trailer mfg to do tie down points correct , don’t ask how I know . At the least make sure they are fastened to frame and secure. If in doubt put in etrack the full length and fasten to frame ,that way you can stagger however you want . in all the hundred of thousands of miles I’ve been on the road to biker events I think I’ve seen it all and invariably some one proves that I ain’t. Any strap will hold a bike ,until it doesn’t .Any chock will work ,until it doesn’t . Any jack will work until it doesn’t . The problem is knowing exactly when it fails which is usually when you pull up to u load the bikes and realize that some motorcycle twister game was going on . Than you get to unwind the pretty paint from other shiny parts and well the trip is ruined or at least enjoyment has diminished. Or you have a camera showing you exactly when it falls over and that will be in the worst road Construction with the worst traffic with a ditch on either side of the truck so there is no way of stopping or pulling over. Than you get that nice warm fuzzy feeling watching your baby get beatup and nothing you can do about it . I’ve experienced all the above first hand.

The only for sure with out a doubt way to tote a bike is with the Biker Bar . It’s a division of B and W hitch but it’s separate. I got introduced to them by my friend who owns V 8 choppers in Oklahoma. When they load an entire semi double stacked with $80k V 8 bikes and travel from coast to coast and never look back I figure that’sthe way I need to transport mine. . After researching This , i found that many other big names and companies use Biker Bar to keep all the bikes safe going to events . Ive even seen pics of haulers involved in wrecks that the trailer was upside down and basically destroyed but the motorcycle was still in the cradle and basically unharmed.. The only issue I had with biker bar was years ago they had a bad rubber bond to the cradle and before I realized it there were some paint damaged on the frame where the cradle fit. Ya it bothers me but ive high centered in parking lots that did more damage But at least it wasn’t a pile of mangled metal . They replaced all the units with new ones and the rubber components now are bulletproof . I have never waxed the frame under the motor ever anyway and don’t know any 6 inch people that walk under it and point out defects. When it is on a lift up in the air it’s visible but hopefully it’s not on a lift very long anyways..

For you other question ,you can configure the bikes like a puzzle and make lots of room. In my old Featherlite trailer I’ve had my mastiff , a Ridgeback and two Harley’s to Sturgis several times. two were backed in with only inches separated them but the biker bars locking them solid was doable without any worry. In my new sundowner I might have to use the jack and strap on the mastiff if it goes at the same time that the 16 ft Honda talon goes. This is the only time in my life that I can say with perfect honesty that I’m 4 inches to long ( to use biker bar) to make it fit. Harley matches up but the mastiff will have to be angled.

When it comes down to it ,there is no right or wrong way to transport your bike. Just look at the pros and cons of all and pick one and use the best material for the job. Just remember no one is right and no one is wrong . Jokester you think for yourself on everything when I’ve been around you so you will figure what’s best for you. On another note if you are letting the 7.3 creeper van go , I’d be interested in it . I would hope you are keeping it for its to rare to throw to curb.
 

Joke•ster

Active Member
I strap the Ultra Classic on the left with the stock anchors. On the right my anchor is under the washer/dryer so I use my track tie down system for the Bigdog chopper. On the back I use the stock anchors to prevent the rearends from moving.View attachment 121418View attachment 121419
That makes me feel better that someone is using them for thousand pound bikes. Appreciate the info
 

liferider

Looking forward to retirement
Daves correct about the Biker Bar. It doesn’t move. About 2006 or 2007 I was on my way to Sturgis. We were on I-90 heading west. A truck pulling a 5th wheel pulling an enclosed trailer flew by us. About 1/2 hr later we came upon a wreck, it was them. The rear enclosed trailer blew a tire and apparently went into a horrible fish tail and flipped the 5th wheel and enclosed trailer. The enclosed trailer was sitting on the roof. The bikes were dangling from the floor upside down still attached to the Biker bar.
 

Joke•ster

Active Member
Never trust some idiot trailer mfg to do tie down points correct , don’t ask how I know . At the least make sure they are fastened to frame and secure. If in doubt put in etrack the full length and fasten to frame ,that way you can stagger however you want . in all the hundred of thousands of miles I’ve been on the road to biker events I think I’ve seen it all and invariably some one proves that I ain’t. Any strap will hold a bike ,until it doesn’t .Any chock will work ,until it doesn’t . Any jack will work until it doesn’t . The problem is knowing exactly when it fails which is usually when you pull up to u load the bikes and realize that some motorcycle twister game was going on . Than you get to unwind the pretty paint from other shiny parts and well the trip is ruined or at least enjoyment has diminished. Or you have a camera showing you exactly when it falls over and that will be in the worst road Construction with the worst traffic with a ditch on either side of the truck so there is no way of stopping or pulling over. Than you get that nice warm fuzzy feeling watching your baby get beatup and nothing you can do about it . I’ve experienced all the above first hand.

The only for sure with out a doubt way to tote a bike is with the Biker Bar . It’s a division of B and W hitch but it’s separate. I got introduced to them by my friend who owns V 8 choppers in Oklahoma. When they load an entire semi double stacked with $80k V 8 bikes and travel from coast to coast and never look back I figure that’sthe way I need to transport mine. . After researching This , i found that many other big names and companies use Biker Bar to keep all the bikes safe going to events . Ive even seen pics of haulers involved in wrecks that the trailer was upside down and basically destroyed but the motorcycle was still in the cradle and basically unharmed.. The only issue I had with biker bar was years ago they had a bad rubber bond to the cradle and before I realized it there were some paint damaged on the frame where the cradle fit. Ya it bothers me but ive high centered in parking lots that did more damage But at least it wasn’t a pile of mangled metal . They replaced all the units with new ones and the rubber components now are bulletproof . I have never waxed the frame under the motor ever anyway and don’t know any 6 inch people that walk under it and point out defects. When it is on a lift up in the air it’s visible but hopefully it’s not on a lift very long anyways..

For you other question ,you can configure the bikes like a puzzle and make lots of room. In my old Featherlite trailer I’ve had my mastiff , a Ridgeback and two Harley’s to Sturgis several times. two were backed in with only inches separated them but the biker bars locking them solid was doable without any worry. In my new sundowner I might have to use the jack and strap on the mastiff if it goes at the same time that the 16 ft Honda talon goes. This is the only time in my life that I can say with perfect honesty that I’m 4 inches to long ( to use biker bar) to make it fit. Harley matches up but the mastiff will have to be angled.

When it comes down to it ,there is no right or wrong way to transport your bike. Just look at the pros and cons of all and pick one and use the best material for the job. Just remember no one is right and no one is wrong . Jokester you think for yourself on everything when I’ve been around you so you will figure what’s best for you. On another note if you are letting the 7.3 creeper van go , I’d be interested in it . I would hope you are keeping it for its to rare to throw to curb.
That's a very good point about the V8 choppers. That's an awful lot of weight
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Good info there. Again, I guess the only question is do they mount to the chopper? I'm sure they'll do okay with the Indian fitment. Haven't looked at the website yet.
As far as the creeper vans I'm going to hold on to them. I have two of them both diesel. One is Chevy 6.5 and other is Duramax. Being a flooring installer I've always had vans, actually this is my first pick-up truck. Dually.
Chevy trucks are the best ya know
 

Joke•ster

Active Member
Daves correct about the Biker Bar. It doesn’t move. About 2006 or 2007 I was on my way to Sturgis. We were on I-90 heading west. A truck pulling a 5th wheel pulling an enclosed trailer flew by us. About 1/2 hr later we came upon a wreck, it was them. The rear enclosed trailer blew a tire and apparently went into a horrible fish tail and flipped the 5th wheel and enclosed trailer. The enclosed trailer was sitting on the roof. The bikes were dangling from the floor upside down still attached to the Biker bar.
He was ""4inches to long"", towing two trailers and hauling ass. Can't say he didn't deserve it
 

mastiffdave

Well-Known Member
That's a very good point about the V8 choppers. That's an awful lot of weight
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Good info there. Again, I guess the only question is do they mount to the chopper? I'm sure they'll do okay with the Indian fitment. Haven't looked at the website yet.
As far as the creeper vans I'm going to hold on to them. I have two of them both diesel. One is Chevy 6.5 and other is Duramax. Being a flooring installer I've always had vans, actually this is my first pick-up truck. Dually.
Chevy trucks are the best ya know
Think of it as a front end loader on a tractor That you take off and on . Same principle,line it up put the cradle in the clamps and lock it down. The cradle will clamp onto any frame width, but , and that a big BUT, the Indian frame situation ,if I recall correctly is not usable with this system. There was something crazy about the Indian frame but I can’t for the life of me remember what is was.
 

Joke•ster

Active Member
Morning, just curious as to why you settled on a tow behind instead of a Class A gas or diesel.
Hey Paul how you been?
Tammy and I like the fifth wheel because of being able to unhook the grocery getter and also take the bike. We've done quite a few long distance motorcycle hauls, route 66, Sturgis the keys, etc. So we do like the bike so we can't see leaving it behind.
My oldest daughter is expecting so we want to have a place to stay in Wilmington.4hrs from me.
(Remember, she did that internship at Kentucky. I asked you about safe areas for 3months) Tammy wants to help out "more" so she could stay behind. I could take my motorcycle home ,work during the week and then come back and see her on the weekends and she won't drive the motorcycle and/or she needs to be able to get around.. the pick up she will drive..
The motorhomes, it's a different type of usage. If you're retired and collecting a check every month, that's ideal. You can come up missing for a longer time and just kind of hop around and Set up easier quicker . but the fifth wheel my lifestyle right now would be to go to a destination set up, Stay for a week. Turn around come home . Until I start collecting that monthly check . Does that make sense? We looked at motorhomes but we felt that just didn't fit our needs at this time.
 
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pknowles

RETIRED
Hey Paul how you been?
Tammy and I like the fifth wheel because of being able to unhook the grocery getter and also take the bike. We've done quite a few long distance motorcycle hauls, route 66, Sturgis the keys, etc. So we do like the bike so we can't see leaving it behind.
My oldest daughter is expecting so we want to have a place to stay in Wilmington.4hrs from me.
(Remember, she did that internship at Kentucky. I asked you about safe areas for 3months) Tammy wants to help out "more" so she could stay behind. I could take my motorcycle home ,work during the week and then come back and see her on the weekends and she won't drive the motorcycle and/or she needs to be able to get around.. the pick up she will drive..
The motorhomes, it's a different type of usage. If you're retired and collecting a check every month, that's ideal. You can come up missing for a longer time and just kind of hop around and Set up easier quicker . but the fifth wheel my lifestyle right now would be to go to a destination set up, Stay for a week. Turn around come home . Until I start collecting that monthly check . Does that make sense? We looked at motorhomes but we felt that just didn't fit our needs at this time.
It makes sense to me if it is what you like. I think we met in Daytona 6 or 7 years ago. Yall came by my campsite for a bit. I had a fleetwood Expedition at the time and sold it in 18 and bought the Newmar that we now have.
 

Joke•ster

Active Member
Think of it as a front end loader on a tractor That you take off and on . Same principle,line it up put the cradle in the clamps and lock it down. The cradle will clamp onto any frame width, but , and that a big BUT, the Indian frame situation ,if I recall correctly is not usable with this system. There was something crazy about the Indian frame but I can’t for the life of me remember what is was.
So they do not make that biker bar for an Indian. As you can see in the picture there is no frame there to mount itPXL_20240116_150626175.MP.jpg

They do make it for the big dog. K9 for $380 part number MC 2304
 

Joke•ster

Active Member
It makes sense to me if it is what you like. I think we met in Daytona 6 or 7 years ago. Yall came by my campsite for a bit. I had a fleetwood Expedition at the time and sold it in 18 and bought the Newmar that we now have.
Yes, I do remember that ,,(Newmars a nice unit) it's been a couple years. I met slick##? and I also met Kerr also..
Slick/James I think his name was. He was a good dude. We hung out and drank that StAugustine Rum
 

mastiffdave

Well-Known Member
So they do not make that biker bar for an Indian. As you can see in the picture there is no frame there to mount itView attachment 121477

They do make it for the big dog. K9 for $380 part number MC 2304
The representative for biker bar rides a dog so the dimensions of different dogs was a focal point of biker bar at the start. He’s actually from Wichita But not on forum .
 

Brian Murphy

Inthewind1
Condor units three straps, no issues, Daytona four bikes, Sturgis three bikes, Bike and Blues three bikes. Thunder Beach four bikes. Colorado four bikes, Never a problem. Putting a jack under the bike defeats the condor design and engineering. Just saying.
 

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mastiffdave

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Condor units three straps, no issues, Daytona four bikes, Sturgis three bikes, Bike and Blues three bikes. Thunder Beach four bikes. Colorado four bikes, Never a problem. Putting a jack under the bike defeats the condor design and engineering. Just saying.
Like I said earlier , there is no correct or incorrect way ,everything works perfectly until it doesn’t.. than you got a mess. I glad that you’ve not experienced any problems.
 

Mickmorris

Well Known Member
Supporting Member
Condor units three straps, no issues, Daytona four bikes, Sturgis three bikes, Bike and Blues three bikes. Thunder Beach four bikes. Colorado four bikes, Never a problem. Putting a jack under the bike defeats the condor design and engineering. Just saying.
How so?
 
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