I just bought em both separate on ebay for $31.00 for the pad and $30.00 for the Spade plate.. A lot better then $160-220.00 FROM Big Dog..Mine fell off for the 2nd time last Fall and I believe I'm going to do more then just wedge it in place this time. I believe I will tap mine and put a screw in it somehow.. I've read several post on here about others losing theres also when you get up the RPM and the Bike Vibrates them loose. If you dont have someone leaning against it shes GONE..