What jets are you running? Popping/backfiring

Energy One

AllNewbie

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Bike seems to sputter and backfire/pop quite a bit more than any other bike I've owned when cruising anytime I let off the accelerator to coast.

When I shut the bike off, often times I get a small pop or backfire from the exhaust and recently it has been letting a puff of smoke out of the intake.

I just bought the bike and the jets that came in the 107 (03 Pitbull) are 031 and 072. I read through the S&S super G series carb manual and 96"+ should have an:
Intermediate jet between .032 - .036 and
Main jet .074 - .086

Both of mine are too small according to the manual. Would this cause any of these issues?

What are you running in your 107 engines?
 

john sachs

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Bike seems to sputter and backfire/pop quite a bit more than any other bike I've owned when cruising anytime I let off the accelerator to coast.

When I shut the bike off, often times I get a small pop or backfire from the exhaust and recently it has been letting a puff of smoke out of the intake.

I just bought the bike and the jets that came in the 107 (03 Pitbull) are 031 and 072. I read through the S&S super G series carb manual and 96"+ should have an:
Intermediate jet between .032 - .036 and
Main jet .074 - .086

Both of mine are too small according to the manual. Would this cause any of these issues?

What are you running in your 107 engines?
The jets that are supplied with a carb, usually more than 1, are the recommended RANGE that can possibly service most areas of the country. It's up to the user/buyer to figure out which one is right for your area. There's a lot of variables like: Altitude, Temperature, Timing, Type of fuel being used, Mods to the engine, etc. Jetting isn't a 1 size fits all.
John
 

Butch Cassidy

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Bike seems to sputter and backfire/pop quite a bit more than any other bike I've owned when cruising anytime I let off the accelerator to coast.

When I shut the bike off, often times I get a small pop or backfire from the exhaust and recently it has been letting a puff of smoke out of the intake.

I just bought the bike and the jets that came in the 107 (03 Pitbull) are 031 and 072. I read through the S&S super G series carb manual and 96"+ should have an:
Intermediate jet between .032 - .036 and
Main jet .074 - .086

Both of mine are too small according to the manual. Would this cause any of these issues?

What are you running in your 107 engines?
31/76
2000 Bulldog
 

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bruce

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If you go on the S&S website you can download the procedures for setting the carburetor, take it step-by-step and it's not that hard to do. maybe check the screw for adjusting the accelerator pump. it is turned most the way out if by chance yours is turned most of the way in it can cause carburetor to load up but there are other adjustments that can cause the issues also
 
Have you pulled your plugs? May want to see if it’s running lean or rich .

Bike seems to sputter and backfire/pop quite a bit more than any other bike I've owned when cruising anytime I let off the accelerator to coast.

When I shut the bike off, often times I get a small pop or backfire from the exhaust and recently it has been letting a puff of smoke out of the intake.

I just bought the bike and the jets that came in the 107 (03 Pitbull) are 031 and 072. I read through the S&S super G series carb manual and 96"+ should have an:
Intermediate jet between .032 - .036 and
Main jet .074 - .086

Both of mine are too small according to the manual. Would this cause any of these issues?

What are you running in your 107 engines?
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Mikeinjersey

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If it's a new problem you could start by checking for air/vacuum leaks at the intake and exhaust. If you have been wrenching in those areas you may have created the issue. Then check your plugs for diagnosis purposes as pauldeepsea suggested and follow up with the Super G adj procedure that Bruce suggested. If your still having issues after you are satisfied that your air tests and carb adjustments are in spec you'll have to move on to ignition.
 

AllNewbie

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If it's a new problem you could start by checking for air/vacuum leaks at the intake and exhaust. If you have been wrenching in those areas you may have created the issue. Then check your plugs for diagnosis purposes as pauldeepsea suggested and follow up with the Super G adj procedure that Bruce suggested. If your still having issues after you are satisfied that your air tests and carb adjustments are in spec you'll have to move on to ignition.
Same problem. I'm about to give up on this bike. Stranded on the side of the road now 3 different times in a week. I've replaced the entire ignition system, I'm getting plenty of fuel, there isn't a vacuum leak anywhere to be found. I've gone over the entire electrical system looking for any electrical issues, loose wires... anything at all. I'm stumped and frustrated beyond belief
 

Mikeinjersey

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When you say the entire ignition system was replaced, what parts were replaced? Ignition module? Cam sensor ? Coil ? Plug wires? From what I've read from this thread and another you started I would guess it's an electrical issue caused by a component heating up. I'm not familiar with the 2003 ign system but these manuals may help you. Sensors and Coils do like to cause intermittent problems on Hot-Vibrating machines like the Big Dogs.
To answer your first question I have an 07 k9 S&S 117 with a super G carb and I have a 032 int and 078 main. I wouldn't start playing with jetting on your bike until I had it at least so your not getting stranded. Frustrating as it is you will fix it and it will feel great! Good Luck
 

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When you say the entire ignition system was replaced, what parts were replaced? Ignition module? Cam sensor ? Coil ? Plug wires? From what I've read from this thread and another you started I would guess it's an electrical issue caused by a component heating up. I'm not familiar with the 2003 ign system but these manuals may help you. Sensors and Coils do like to cause intermittent problems on Hot-Vibrating machines like the Big Dogs.
To answer your first question I have an 07 k9 S&S 117 with a super G carb and I have a 032 int and 078 main. I wouldn't start playing with jetting on your bike until I had it at least so your not getting stranded. Frustrating as it is you will fix it and it will feel great! Good Luck
I replaced my ignition box, which also acts as my cam sensor, I replaced the spark plugs, I replaced the coil. At first I thought it might have been an overheating problem as well, so I ran it without the nose cone cover, that didn't work, and today after I replace the coil, I tried to take it up the road where it died almost immediately less than a half a mile away from my house, so I can't imagine heat would be the culprit anymore because the bike wasn't 100% warmed up.

I picked up an array of different size Jets, and upon pulling mine out which was supposed to be a .072... I quickly realized that my .072 had a much larger orifice than the point .076 I was trying to replace it with. Someone had clearly drilled it out.
I had my neighbor, who has owned a motorcycle shop for years, swing up and help me tune the carb the correct way so at least I know it's no longer a fuel problem.
 

No H2O

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I tried to take it up the road where it died almost immediately less than a half a mile away from my house, so I can't imagine heat would be the culprit anymore because the bike wasn't 100% warmed up.
I had a similar issue when I didn't warm the bike up enough ('04 Ridgeback 106ci S&S).
Coming from a BMW I was used to fire it up and go and it was my first Big Dog and these engines are big. Since I wait at least 2 minutes and then make sure the cylinder tops are warm to the touch I didn't have the issue.
Have you had the issue when the bikes been warmed up fully before riding?
 

AllNewbie

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I had a similar issue when I didn't warm the bike up enough ('04 Ridgeback 106ci S&S).
Coming from a BMW I was used to fire it up and go and it was my first Big Dog and these engines are big. Since I wait at least 2 minutes and then make sure the cylinder tops are warm to the touch I didn't have the issue.
Have you had the issue when the bikes been warmed up fully before riding?
Unfortunately yes. The first couple of times the bike made it 20 miles before any issues, which is what led me to believe it was the electrical components getting too hot
 

No H2O

Active Member
FWIW here is the thread that applied to my case, maybe some repeat information or maybe something we haven't thought of. IIRC whenever I let the bike fully warm up (via idle before riding) I didn't have the issue but if I rode it at low RPM to warm it up via riding I did:
 

AllNewbie

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FWIW here is the thread that applied to my case, maybe some repeat information or maybe something we haven't thought of. IIRC whenever I let the bike fully warm up (via idle before riding) I didn't have the issue but if I rode it at low RPM to warm it up via riding I did:
Thanks, I read through the whole thread. Mine doesn't instantly die, my throttle becomes non-responsive, backfiring, popping and surging, then it will die
 

No H2O

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then that's likely a different problem and there are guys on the board who are far more knowledgeable than I on things like that
 

Mikeinjersey

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I replaced my ignition box, which also acts as my cam sensor, I replaced the spark plugs, I replaced the coil. At first I thought it might have been an overheating problem as well, so I ran it without the nose cone cover, that didn't work, and today after I replace the coil, I tried to take it up the road where it died almost immediately less than a half a mile away from my house, so I can't imagine heat would be the culprit anymore because the bike wasn't 100% warmed up.

I picked up an array of different size Jets, and upon pulling mine out which was supposed to be a .072... I quickly realized that my .072 had a much larger orifice than the point .076 I was trying to replace it with. Someone had clearly drilled it out.
I had my neighbor, who has owned a motorcycle shop for years, swing up and help me tune the carb the correct way so at least I know it's no longer a fuel problem.
Just for clarification, after you fixed the carb issue, the bike runs OK until you get the failure? After the failure ( sputtering, backfiring, surging, no throttle, dies) and cool down it will start and run OK till next failure.
If this is true my guess is the problem lies in the ignition system.
From what I can read in the wiring diagram for this year bike you have an Ignition Module, a sensor plate, a coil , plug wires , plugs , an ignition switch and an ignition switch/ starter Module. Your description sounds like you replaced the IGN Module, Sensor Plate , Coil and Plugs. I would continue by checking the plug wires and the ignition switch. For 2003 models there is a new ignition switch. Check out page 12 and 13 of the Electrical pdf. The plug wires can be bad( poor continuity) and fail or arch when under stress,heat or vibration as well as the Ignition switch. I'm not familiar with the reliability of the IGN/Starter Module but hey it's a big part of system pg 10 same pdf.
Page 8 shows where the grounds are for your bike. I can't stress enough that these are clean and checked well. Countless issues are caused by poor grounds.
I found this under starter issues may help:
5. Sensor Plate and its Connecting Wire If starting still fails but the bike turns over (especially when the bike is hot), inspect the sensor plate.
Additionally, locate the sensor plate wire and follow it to the 3-pin connector (located between the frame and the left gas tank at the front of the seat). Sometimes the pin in the connection has come loose and needs to be firmly reinserted.
If they all check out OK my guess is the wiring to and from the EHC or the EHC itself is failing. Read the electrical pdf in it's entirety and maybe you will get additional ideas on what to check and how to troubleshoot.
Intermittent electrical problems can be very wacky and totally hard to find. Keep the faith and try to be very clear about what you do to get to the bottom of this issue. Any info may help one of the members come up with a troubleshooting process in addition to what I've said to help you. A check list from start to finish may be in order. Sometimes that helps to fill in the blanks and keeps things in focus. Again Good Luck going forward.
 

knothead

Second Chance Customs
The ehc on that year model very seldom goes bad...since u have replaced cam sensor and all those goodies all ready, it sounds like to me the ehc plug isnt making good connection....need to check it and put a couple zipties around it to hold the two together..seat maybe hitting the ehc connector and making it loose contact this is a very common issue
 

AllNewbie

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Thank you for your extremely thorough responses.
My EHC was upgraded to an Ultima. I've looked over the wiring (without pulling it back through the frame rails) and things look tight and no exposed wiring.
I will take a look at the grounds that you mentioned and make sure those are tight and clear of any rust Etc next. The only thing on that list I have not changed yet for the ignition system would be the spark plug wires themselves, I have some on order I just couldn't find any local so I'm waiting on the mail.
 

Mikeinjersey

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Do you know the history of your bike? I was not familiar with Ultima so I looked it up. It looks to me like its made for a bike build or a replacement requiring rewiring of the whole bike. Depending on the person doing the job it could be a nightmare. Not an easy job. Considering the guy who had the bike before you drilled out his own jets ( a $10 part ) I'm not sure if he is a master bike builder or a person with a very unusual decision making process. I would be very suspect of the quality of workmanship on install of the Ultima.
This is were I found the info on the Ultima Electronics wiring system http://www.ultimaproducts.com/PDFinstruct.html
I hope the plug wires fix the problem!! If not, at least you know there is reason for the strong possibility you have a bad connection somewhere .
 
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