I think I figured it out...

Dlandbob

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There is a little black rectangle box that connects to my battery, it has two black wires and two red wires and with I think two red LED lights on it. I can touch it and make my electrical issues start. If everything is working okay and I play with it than it will start to cause my blinkers to Flash and my speedo to jump around. So what is that Box called and is it Cheap and Easy to find? What does it do? This problem has been going on for 6 months and I have replaced so many ground wires, connectors and all I could to figure out my issue. I took my battery to Pep boys and they said it was good until he did one test and said it wont hold a charge, I then took it to a real battery place and they said it was good with the CCA @ 370. It is rated CCA 310 so it is doing good. I thought since when I ride, everything starts working well when I am at 2200 RPM's that it made since my battery could be the issue. HELP!!!
 

HMAN

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From what your describing it sounds like the ignition module. If its an original it will be a Thunderheart. Remove it and send in for a free test. Google Thunderheart and you can find an address. Post up a pic if you can....?
 

Mr. Wright

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Is it the little black box mounted to the top of the battery? There is one of these on the other 03 chopper I have in my shop. I assumed it was part of the stating system, but I dont't know for sure. I'm not even sure if it's stock. We had to push start this bike down in Alabama one time and road it to a Big Dog shop somewhere in Tenn. Where they fixed the start system and did some retuning to make it start and run better. It was after this that I noticed this black box, and wondered what it was for.
 

Dlandbob

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It is the little black box on top of the battery. I will take a picture tomorrow when I have light.

Thanks
 

Mr. Wright

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I think this is what he is talking about. This is on an 03 chopper. There wasn't one in the box of parts I got with my 03, but then again it was missing alot of things. It has a tag on it with the # BD4121-18. I'm not having any problems with it, but it would be nice to know what it is.
 

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What you guys are talking about is the
"Module – Ignition Switch / Starter
In each 2003 model there is a module installed that provides two functions: 1) ignition switch
and 2) starting. The module is located on the battery situated in the recessed portion of the top of
the battery and is held down with the battery strap (see Figure 14). The module has 5 wire leads
that connect to the electrical system. The power wire (red) is connected to the battery positive
terminal and the ground wire is connected to the battery negative terminal (see Figure). The
large green wire connects to the starter solenoid (starting function) and the large orange wire
connects to the EHC (providing power).
There is a 3-wire lead that has a JST connector at the end that plugs the module into the main
harness. The three-wire lead connects the module to the ignition switch and to the starter button
in the handlebars (see schematic for wire connections). All of the wires have a protective sleeve
with the exception of the two wires that attach to the battery. The module is a potted unit and
cannot be repaired and must be replaced if defective. There are two LED’s that are visible on the
same side of the module that the wires come out (see figure). The red LED is part of the starter
function and the yellow LED is part if the ignition switch function.
Module (Ignition Switch Function)
The ignition switch part of the module is a solid-state replacement of the old mechanical ignition
switch used in the past. The module takes power from the battery and provides it directly to the
EHC where all loads are attached. To turn on, it needs a small signal and it gets that from the
new ignition switch that is located in the coil cover just as in earlier models. This allows the use
of a smaller mechanical switch (see section on Ignition Switch). For 2003 models, the current
that flows through the harness does not go through the mechanical switch but from the battery to
the EHC through the module. The module three-wire lead has a small red, orange and green wire
that connects to the harness by a 3-position connector (see schematic).
Battery voltage is present in the small red wire attached to the ignition switch. The orange wire
also attaches to the ignition switch. When the orange wire touches 12 volts it activities the
module and power flows through the EHC supplying power to the system. The green wire is
used for activating the starter (see section on starting).
The module has fault detection l detect if there is an open or short circuit on the load side of the
module (large orange wire going to EHC). If there is an open or short circuit while the module is
turned on the yellow LED will turn on. The module also has fault protection built in and if the
current gets too high it will go into a fault mode and limit the current and light up the LED.
During a short circuit fault mode the module limits the current not by shutting down completely
but it goes into a pulse mode and limits the current by very fast switching. Current still flows but
at a lower level. The short circuit fault mode switching is very fast but can be seen by looking at
the LED and it will flutter.
If the yellow LED is on this is how to tell if the module is sensing a short or open circuit. Also
when the module is in a short circuit mode (switching) anything on the bike that is turned on
(example: neutral indicator) will blink and this is another way to tell that the module sees a short
circuit. The module is also sensitive to low levels of current. For example when the ignition
switch is turned on, the headlight and taillight will come on but if the headlight was unplugged
then the yellow LED will light up because the new 2003 taillights which are LED do not draw
enough current to tell the module that there is not an open circuit. This can be useful in
troubleshooting headlight failures.
When starting the motorcycle, the yellow LED will light up because the EHC relay (headlight
relay) will turn off the headlight while the starter is engaged, so for a short period of time the
module thinks that there is an open circuit because the only load on it is the taillight. Refer to the
schematics for module wiring.
 

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Mr. Wright

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Thanks Kaptin, I figured that was what it was. I'll print this and put in my folder. Was 03 the only year it was used?
 

Mr. Wright

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I wonder if I can still buy this part, and where one could be found. When I rewired my bike, I just used a Bosh starter relay and it works fine, but the electronic one might be a little more dependable.
 

Mr. Wright

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Sorry Bob I didn't mean to take over your post. Tha Kaptin had some awsome info, and I hope thats what you were talking about.:zzsorry:
 

Dlandbob

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No, that was good info and I see that it isn't my issue. This is a tough one. I have read so many threads about this and everyone has a problem with their EHC but I have been told it probably isn't the issue in my case because the bike runs good and it would effect the ignition if it was bad. I don't have any issue if I am over 2000 rpms but things start to be a problem most of the time when I am under 2000 rpms. If I have a fully charged battery than everything is good for a little while when I am riding and then it starts. I thought maybe the battery was bad, I have a really good battery and when I took it to pepboys they tested it and said that is was good at first and when he charged it he said it wont hold a charge so I thought that would be it. I took it to the place where they sell this battery and they did all kinds of load test and said it was fine. I am LOST!!! I can replace everything but that doesn't help me, I need to know whats wrong before I waste my money.

Thanks.
 

Mr. Wright

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It could be that one of the cells in the battery is loose, that would explain why they thought it was good at first. take the strap off and press down on the battery while it's running, and shake it around. see what that does.
 
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