Exhaust Popping on Decelartion

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LR1755

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Hello All-

I have an 03' Big Dog Husky with the S&S 107 engine. I recently purchased new Hooker Trouble Maker Exhaust (Big Radius) 2 1/2" stepped header made for 96"+ engines. I put the new pipes on and brought it down to my local Big Dog Service Center. He bumped up the intermediate jet from a 29 to a 31, adjusted the mixture screw and ran the bike. When letting off the throttle, there is excessive popping so then he bumped up the main jet from a 70 to a 72. Adjusted the mixture screw and ran the bike again. A little improvement but still excessive popping when letting off the throttle.

I just called Holly and am not impressed with their technical support because they basically said to track down the distributor and try to return the pipes.

If anyone could help me out with some tech help to stop the popping, that would be greatly appreciated!
 

Raywood

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Welcome LR, popping is an issue a lot of us deal with. But it would be nice to have a bit more information.

Did you replace stock pipe?
Are you running the baffles in the new pipes?
Were the exhaust gaskets changed out?
Any other changes made at the same time? aircleaner? filter?

First thing I would do is tighten up the pipes. When you install new pipes with new gaskets you should go back and re-tighten them as they settle in.
Exhaust leaks can cause a lot of popping. If you are running them un-baffled then you may have to get used to it.

:cheers:
 

TLB08K9

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LR
I know that when I had my baffles removed the decel pop was very loud, One thing that helps some is to not snap the throttle closed. Helped with 35% of the excessive popping but still did not fix it. The shop told me the only way I could get rid of it completely was to install a set of baffles. Just my :zz2cents:
 

LR1755

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Welcome LR, popping is an issue a lot of us deal with. But it would be nice to have a bit more information.

Did you replace stock pipe?
Are you running the baffles in the new pipes?
Were the exhaust gaskets changed out?
Any other changes made at the same time? aircleaner? filter?

First thing I would do is tighten up the pipes. When you install new pipes with new gaskets you should go back and re-tighten them as they settle in.
Exhaust leaks can cause a lot of popping. If you are running them un-baffled then you may have to get used to it.

:cheers:
Hello Raywood. Yes I did replace the stock 2 into 1 pipe. Yes, I am running the baffles within the new pipes and plan on keeping them in for good. The exhasut gaskets viusally appeared to be ok & uniform. So, I did keep the existing stock gaskets within the cyclinder heads. No other changes made to the big.

After I installed the new pipes. I started the big to check for leaks. It appeared that there was none. However, it sounds like I have to take them off and install new gaskets to confirm that possibility. Thanks for the help. LR
 

BBChopper

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Most after market pipes are gona pop a bit!!!!:cheers: :2thumbs:
I look at like another way of telling people to get the funk out of your way!!!!
Oh Welcome dude!:2thumbs:
 
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BigDogBro1

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What is exhaust popping?

Well baring any exhaust header leaks, read this and become a better mechanic.



Burn Baby Burn- Pulled from the VTXOA.com forum

The last thing I want to address today is the subject of deceleration backfire, or “popping”. This topic generates a lot of concern from inexperienced riders, or even from experienced guys who just hate the noise, so lets take a look at what causes it. But first things first, lets define the issue:

Deceleration Backfire is caused by fuel burning in the exhaust manifold or header.

No ifs ands or buts, that’s what causes it. But the bigger question is how does gas get there in the first place, and that’s a bit more complicated. Generally, there are a variety of ways it gets there, and a variety of things that can make the backfiring worse. But there’s a kicker, and something you should understand before we go any farther:

A motor in perfect tune will exhibit deceleration backfiring.

Therefore, just because your motor is banging it up, doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong. And consequently:

Getting rid of the noise means de-tuning your motor.

Yup. If you’ve jut got to eliminate that popping, you’ll have to accept the fact that your motor is going to be forced to run rich to do it, and that isn’t necessarily a good thing. So lets talk about what causes the problem.

Ok, so you’re riding along at some given rpm, and suddenly you decide to decelerate, and you reduce the amount of throttle. This causes an “overrun” – that is, the motors rpm is turning faster than the fuel provided can support, so the motor begins to spool down. This causes a couple of things to happen.

First, when you close the throttle, you are also closing the throttle plates. This reduces the air and fuel flowing into the motor, and increases the vacuum (lowers the pressure). This results in less air and fuel in the cylinder during the power stroke, which in turn results in a lower pressure in the combustion chamber. Remember I said earlier, that the A/F mix burns faster in proportion to the pressure applied? Well, when we reduce pressure this way, the mix burns slower. This results in two things happening.

1. The slower burning fuel generates less heat, and the cooling effect of the non-burning fuel tends to “quench” the flame front, or slow it down even further. Because the mix is burning much slower, the exhaust valve can open before all the fuel is consumed, and the unburnt fuel is ejected into the exhaust.
2. The engine designers, in order to promote smoother idling and better combustion, retard the spark when the throttle is shut, and this results in the mix being lit later.

So, now we end up with unburnt fuel in the exhaust, and burning fuel being ejected into the exhaust, and bang! Backfire. In addition, Honda has added a device called a “programmed air injection valve” (Pair Valve) that actually injects some fresh air into the exhaust to help this process along – since fully burning the fuel results in cleaner exhaust. So the backfiring is not only a normal part of the engines operation, it’s also intentionally amplified by Honda! Of course, normally, that massive bazooka pipe Honda hangs on your bike hides most of the noise, but it’s there, even when you can’t hear it.

So the bottom line, is: That backfiring is perfectly normal and expected. If you’ve just got get rid of it, that’s up to you. You’re entitled to set your motor up the way you want, and your goals are your goals. But don’t refer to it as “fixing” the popping. Rather, the correct way to think of it is “de-tuning a bit to get rid of the popping”.

There are a few ways you can do this.

First, use the stock pipe. It will hide the sound, by absorbing it into mass, and masking it with the larger baffle space. Second, you can add more fuel during deceleration. This has the effect of raising the chamber pressure slightly, which burns a little more before the exhaust valve opens. Lastly, you can remove the Pair valve, which reduces the amount of available oxygen in the pipe to burn the unburnt fuel.

Original lengthy more info article post- LINK
VTXOA.com • View topic - Air, Fuel, Motors, and missives. Article. (Updated 1/3/06)

Of course the S&S engines don't have a “programmed air injection valve” (Pair Valve) like the Honda bikes do so that tidbit of info is not relevant or useful.

Good luck!
 
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So the bottom line, is: That backfiring is perfectly normal and expected. If you’ve just got get rid of it, that’s up to you. You’re entitled to set your motor up the way you want



Bigdogbro1,

Thanks for clearing this up...come to think of it my pup did run better after servicing it :up: but it still backfired upon deceleration :rolleyes: ....but that's okay .... :up: :choppersmiley:
 

Dakotabos

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I Love Hearing my dog popping after down shift comming to a stop light especially near the court house. I love setting off car alarms :roll:
 

toomanybikes

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Even with replacing the exhaust gaskets, swapping baffles ( Standard Troublemaker versus quiet Troublemaker), changing jets, and adjusting the carb, I have not eliminate the popping. I have the popping to what I consider an acceptable level using the standard baffles, a 31 intermediate and a 74 main jet.
 

surferdude

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I love the popping ... they can hear you coming ... :D :eek: :D :eek: :loony: :whoop: :flag:
I got rid of it once but put it back ... it's running perrrrfic so I leave it alone ....:D :flag: :up:
 
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