Dog is Lean...HELP!!!!

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StreetHog

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All the mods on the bike are Mean Mothers exhaust. Everything else is stock. BDM recommends 31/78 jetting for that exhaust. My bike is that. My plugs are white. Do I need to fatten it up via the fuel/air screw? I need this bike this weekend but I'm not going to ride it running lean. Any pointers??

I know, I know....Do a search there are several topics on this subject. I just came off a 20 hour day so I just want suggestions....:D:D :bang:
 

StreetHog

Active Member
Suggestion......have it dyno tuned.
Yep...My thoughts as well. I like your Avatar, I have one of those Glides too. Love it...

I also was pointed out for having Harley B/S wrapped in Ol Glory for my Avatar. They not nipping at you sitting on that good looking HD just Glidn????
 

RCAdd1ct

JAFO
Yep...My thoughts as well. I like your Avatar, I have one of those Glides too. Love it...

I also was pointed out for having Harley B/S wrapped in Ol Glory for my Avatar. They not nipping at you sitting on that good looking HD just Glidn????
Ya, my avatar is old. My SG has changed a lot since then. Also added the AIH.

On your tune. Unless you spend a lot of time you are never going to get it perfect.....unless you ride with a gas analyser. Plugs tell you your lean, but they don't tell you which circuit is lean.

On the dyno they can tune each circuit.

On your 113..... What heads and valve springs are you running?
 

StreetHog

Active Member
Im running the SE MVA heads with SE springs. I don't foresee the springs holding up but maybe wrong too. 10.5:1 comp...
 

RCAdd1ct

JAFO
Im running the SE MVA heads with SE springs. I don't foresee the springs holding up but maybe wrong too. 10.5:1 comp...
Ok, here is the deal.....from experience.

Check the valve open spring pressure. If it was like mine it will be 500lbs or so.

This is setup for bumping he redline to 7000, which we won't do.

I lost everything in the cam chest at 16k miles with these springs.

Then after another 10k it took out the entire engine as a cam bearing came apart.

This is what made me go to the 117" I had.

It is just too much spring pressure. Mine were at 500lbs. In comparison a SB Chevy is at 275 at the same collapsed length.

Call woods and get his springs. He worked with the nascar guys and came up with a good solution.

And before you dismiss this as just me, of the 16 engines built at the dealer I visit, 11 of the ones that have hit 15k miles have had some sort of related issue. The dealer will no longer sell the 113 kits due to this issue.

So....I am not saying you have a bad engine...I loved mine. Just make sure check the cam bearings often if your springs have the same rating....or change them out.
 

Th3InfamousI

Administrator
Staff member
All the mods on the bike are Mean Mothers exhaust. Everything else is stock. BDM recommends 31/78 jetting for that exhaust. My bike is that. My plugs are white. Do I need to fatten it up via the fuel/air screw? I need this bike this weekend but I'm not going to ride it running lean. Any pointers??

I know, I know....Do a search there are several topics on this subject. I just came off a 20 hour day so I just want suggestions....:D:D :bang:
Did you drop the carb bowl to ensure those are the size jets you are running? A lot of these bikes came stock with a 29.5 Intermediate jet as running it lean was helpful in passing emmisions.

I know mine stock was 29.5 and a 74 main. I dropped in a 31/78 and she runs nice, no more cough out the carb at constant 60-70 mph.

Also, don't forget Lean is mean! Just not too lean. How White are these plugs?
 

bruce

Active Member
you can get all the info from S&S to adjust carb. FREE. I had them send it to me, but you can print it right off the web site. main jet is for hard accel. interm. jet is what is used for most riding, the idle mixture screw if adjusted wrong you will get poor gas mileage. any time you replace a jet you will need to readjust idle mixture screw.
 

Moespeeds

Well-Known Member
Let's see those white plugs.

Plugs aren't a great way to read a tune, unless you have detonation or some serious condition that is damaging the plug, they will just show your tune at the shutdown RPM. Open the mixture screw a full turn and see if that helps. When you say they are white, is the electrode white, or are you looking at the ceramic? How does the bike run?
 

Th3InfamousI

Administrator
Staff member
Interesting read I found online on spark plugs if anyone is interested. Applies specifically to automobiles but still good information.
EXAMPLE #1



Lets analyze this plug, sorry the numbered points aren't clear but it's 1-4 you can figure it out.

#1 Is a timing indicator, you'll see a definite color change on the ground strap, it doesn't show well here but you can still see it right about at the arrow. Too much timing and the color change will be very close to the threaded body of the plug, too little and it'll be closer to the tip. Ideally we want it right in the apex or center of the 90 bend on the ground strap. This plug shows too much timing for the combustion chamber efficiency or octane level.

#4 Arrow shows another indicator of timing, you'll usually see a brown ring right at the tip of the porcelain area it should be a sharp and defined ring about .020 wide. Wider indicates not enough timing and any smaller , or only 1/2 way around or nonexistent as in this image is the second indication of too much timing in the motor.

#2 The tip of the ground strap is loaded with OIL deposits, fuel deposits are usually flat black in color and almost like a fine powdery deposit, this motor is leaking oil into the combustion chamber, bad valve guides, leaking valve covers allowing oil to seep through the plug threads, whatever it needs to be fixed.

#3 The threaded portion of the plug gives you the heat range, look at the threads you'll see that a few toward the tip are a dull burnt looking color the rest are black and shiny. You want about 2 threads showing the heat on the end of the plug and the rest of the threads to be shiny, this plug is impossible to read because of the oil mess. If you using a longer reach plug than this one 2.5 to 3 threads is optimum.
To increase the number of burnt threads increase the heat range of the plug, if you have 4-5-6 threads burnt you need to get a colder plug.

Looking at the color of the porcelain I'd give this carb a passing grade at the mid range and not to bad on the idle circuits although that dam oil leak makes it tough to really get a good read. I'll get some better shots for lesson 2.

EXAMPLE #2

The plug is showing me by the deposits on the tip of the electrode and also the deposits right on the edge of the threaded body.
that it's slightly fat at idle.

The white porcelain is showing a lean condition at WOT, it's not too far advanced as the total timing mark or color change is right in the apex of the ground strap curve. The Idle timing is shown by the triangular hazing up on the flat of the ground strap and without even looking at the distributor specs I can tell you that the timing on this SB Mopar is about 18-20 initial and 34 total.

I would need a better picture of the threads to determine the heat range.

Changes:
I would try and lean it out just a touch at idle and up the jets by 2 points to fatten up the WOT circuit.

That slightly lighter color at the tip of the ground strap indicates too much gap, nothing serious but next time you change plugs I'd go to about a .036 gap from the current .040. Too much resistance caused by too wide of a plug gap can cause excessive heat on the tip which will shorten the life of the plug and really give you no benefits. I believe excessive plug gaps are not required on most Muscle and bracket cars, once you get into real big compression and major power you would open up the gap and replace plugs 2-3-4 times a year.
Spark plug reading
 

StreetHog

Active Member
Guess I will be riding the 'Ol Reliable Street Hog tomorrow. Dropped the oil in the tranny and right beside the drain plug was a 7/16 x 3/4 flanged bolt wedged in between the frame and oil lines. Hmmm....Where did you come from???? Tranny mount bolt. There appears to be 6 of them, 4 of them are Gondo. The bolt I found had NO Loctite on it. Guess I'll go out to the John Deere House in the morning and pick up a dozen of these in Grade 8....

Yep...Go for a ride and dig out the torque wrench. That okay tho, I like this kind of stuff
 

V

Guru
Guess I will be riding the 'Ol Reliable Street Hog tomorrow. Dropped the oil in the tranny and right beside the drain plug was a 7/16 x 3/4 flanged bolt wedged in between the frame and oil lines. Hmmm....Where did you come from???? Tranny mount bolt. There appears to be 6 of them, 4 of them are Gondo. The bolt I found had NO Loctite on it. Guess I'll go out to the John Deere House in the morning and pick up a dozen of these in Grade 8....

Yep...Go for a ride and dig out the torque wrench. That okay tho, I like this kind of stuff
Might need to re-shim the transmission. Before you torque any thing down you might want to make sure no existing shims are under the transmission where they should not be.
 
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