Charging system

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I have an 06 K-9 and experience a faliure last weekend. It wouldn't start so I boxed it up and took it home. I thought battery short/failure so I repalced it. Tested the charging system and discovered it was not the battery, the charging system was out of service. After runing a few test on the stator I realized there was no power to the regulator and found the 40 amp fuse had fused. Replaced the fuse but am concerned with what caused the failure (fuse). The fuse block that runs from the battery to the terminal connection block on the side of the battery case all seems fine. The lid on the fuse cover will not stay closed but not sure if it is of a major concern considering it is not sealed. I did notice a seam on the fuse case was split between the blades but not sure if it was caused from the the fuse when it failed. All is good right now but I am afraid it may I have an underlying problem. Any ideas? Any help would be appreciated.
 

RRRUFF

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More than likely it your Voltage Regulator. There was a problem with some of the 05s & 06s where the bus bar would overheat and short out causing the system to over charge. The BD fix was the inline 40 amp fuse. You can chect the alternator by unplugging the VR and check the voltage output with the bike running. Set your meter to AC and connect to the alternator. Start the bike, voltage should be around 20 volts AC and will increase with engine rpm up to around 100 volts. Be careful not to touch the metal leads because it will light you up. If the alternator checks out then replace the VR. Hope this helps.
 
Thanks RRRUFF, After replacing the fuse the system is pumping out the normal 14+ volts DC. If the VR is failing like you indicated does it cool down and work fine and then heat up agian causing the fuse to fuuse? Is the VR a BD or can it be purchased elsewhere? The kick is I live in Iowa and our only dealer went belly-up so I no one. I absolutely love my K-9 but am concerned about maintaining it.
 

RRRUFF

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Thanks RRRUFF, After replacing the fuse the system is pumping out the normal 14+ volts DC. If the VR is failing like you indicated does it cool down and work fine and then heat up agian causing the fuse to fuuse? Is the VR a BD or can it be purchased elsewhere? The kick is I live in Iowa and our only dealer went belly-up so I no one. I absolutely love my K-9 but am concerned about maintaining it.
What I understand is the VR will heat up and cause the buss bar to warp and this will cause the system to over charge. The fuse was the BD fix for this. I was told by the dealer that installed my fuse that if the VR failed is would be replaced under warranty. So far no problems with mine. The manual says to check the charging voltage with bike running, should be 13 or 14 volts. Then check the continuity of the stator and see if anything is going to ground. Then isolate the alternator by unplugging the VR and checking the AC voltage, should be around 20 volts engine idling and will increase with rpms. I think Compufire has a replacement not sure though, someone here has change over. Your VR is a "series" type 40 amp if you decide to go aftermarket.

This is what my manual says;
To check the rotor, leave the VR unplugged from the stator and plug the voltmeter leads into the two stator plug terminals. Set the meter to AC volt setting. Once the meter is set start the engine and note the AC' voltage on the meter. It will vary a little because the engine idle RPM jumps
around, For 2005 the voltage is about 20 volts AC at idle (see Figure 7-71, The voltage will increase as the RPM increases. If the rending is low or it does not increase with idle then suspect the rotor is bad. The open circuit voltage can reach over 100 volts AC if the engine is running fast enough. When doing, this test, do not touch the meter leads.
CAU'I'ION: A hazard of being shocked is present when measuring AC voltage.
NOTE: When checking resistance or AC voltage, polarity does not have to be observed with the meter leads
 

Eric

Banned
you can use a HD VR..it dosent have to be bdm.... just take your vr to a HD shop & match it up..
 
Thanks again RRRUFF, great info. I have already tested the system and all seems in the normal range(s), that is what concerns me. I still can not determine why I melted the fuse. If you would, help my pea brain. In regard to the VR once it fails will it return to normal after it cools. I guess what I am asking just because it is pumping out the proper DCV when I start it in the garage, cold, could I expect it to fail again when it heats up? .....if it is bad. BTW where can I get my hands on a service manual for a 06 K-9?
 

RRRUFF

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Thanks again RRRUFF, great info. I have already tested the system and all seems in the normal range(s), that is what concerns me. I still can not determine why I melted the fuse. If you would, help my pea brain. In regard to the VR once it fails will it return to normal after it cools. I guess what I am asking just because it is pumping out the proper DCV when I start it in the garage, cold, could I expect it to fail again when it heats up? .....if it is bad. BTW where can I get my hands on a service manual for a 06 K-9?
Yes I think it is possible for these things to return to normal when it cools off. The fuse is there to keep from frying the electronics and melting the battery, or starting a fire.

However there is a possibility something else caused the fuse to pop. You can drop the VR down from its mount and if there is an "06" in the number then I am still betting its bad. Shop manual not sure but I think you can get them from BD.
 

Raywood

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Night Train who used to work at BDM posted a bunch of tech stuff in the Technical section on how to check all your electronics.

By the way the "fuse" replaced the CB cause it reacted faster then the CB preventing the EHC from frying.

Also, use the BDM Troubleshooting guide that is posted in there also to help isolate your problem. Something caused it to spike whether it was a ground or other.

:cheers:
 

MisterMister

Active Member
I had my vr replaced on my 08 k9 with one from Drag Specialties. The wire from the old vr to the battery had been worn through like it was rubbing on something. Done under warranty. VR works great.
 

Eric

Banned
Eric,
Does HD make a 40 amp VR?:confused:
I got a accel on mine...I'm sayin you can get a after market from HD shop..dunno if it is really a HD part.. but thay used the same kind @ 1 time..
i think this is it
ACCEL Solid State Voltage Rectifier/Regulator
http://www.accel-motorcycle.com/Pro...jID=675&minID=6767&selection=&minselection=12
after checking mine may be a 32 amp.. but it has been working for almost 2 yrs
http://www.cycleelectricinc.com/
just talked to the tech guy @ cycle electric. he noted the 32 amp will work fine..
 
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Cutter

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I replaced mine yesterday with Cycle Electric Inc. - recommended by Beezer - 2 year warranty

Part # CE-320
 

RubWhore

Asshole Extraordinaire
You can do the Compufire 40 amp 3 phase upgrade, I did it and it really makes the battery spin the bike over much better..I didn`t read the destructions in the package but I read the How to on here and it was a breeze
 

RRRUFF

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You can do the Compufire 40 amp 3 phase upgrade, I did it and it really makes the battery spin the bike over much better..I didn`t read the destructions in the package but I read the How to on here and it was a breeze
Did you replace just the VR or did you replace stator and all?
 

NJ K-9

Member
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I replaced mine yesterday with Cycle Electric Inc. - recommended by Beezer - 2 year warranty

Part # CE-320
Is that a direct replacement or do you have to cut/solder any wires? Just wondering before I order one.
Thanks
 

1BADK9

Limited Edition Member
Hey Moesterman, I know you said the closest dealer shut down but you can also locate authorized service centers in your area by a zipcode search. Though not a dealership these locations have service personnel who have been factory trained or received BIGDOG training certification. Just an idea if you get tired of dicking with it yourself. It is the bottom portion of this webpage for dealers. Good luck.:cheers:

Big Dog Motorcycles - Dealers & Service Centers
 
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