Belt Alignment

Energy One

AZ Rider

Member
Quick question. Putting new belt on my 05 Bulldog. Having to replace because the last one put on by shop split down the middle from rubbing too much. Where was it rubbing? Against the inside of the primary cover which now has a groove in it. Seems it was misaligned. Did not know this until taking things apart to myself. Now that I'm doing it myself I too cant get ir aligned. No matter the adjustment the belt starts to track off the the side of the primary. Also, the wheel doesn't align with the center of the fender. Sits to the right with more room on the left.

Any ideas?
 
Well, are your axle spacers evenly adjusted ?
Next I would check your wheel spacers to make sure they are in correctly , their side and order do matter.
Unlikely but possible your transmission may be mis aligned , I doubt this is the case unless it’s been removed at some point.
Also as I stated in another post may want to check the rear pulley spacer. There is a spacer that goes between the rear pulley and the hub.
Hope this helps
 

TapioK

Well-Known Member
First check and see if your transmission mounting bolts are tight
Out of curiosity, how much tranny/clutch can be offline before you can easily notice it in primary chain alignment? I suppose chain is pretty forgiving compared to belt?
 

TapioK

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Maybe I’m just remembering Panhead having pretty flimsy primary/back plate. ... or was it Royal Enfield?
 

Mr. Wright

Knows some things
Supporting Member
Out of curiosity, how much tranny/clutch can be offline before you can easily notice it in primary chain alignment? I suppose chain is pretty forgiving compared to belt?
If the tranny bolts are missing, it will pull the engine and transmission out of alignment. The primary will keep them straight enough with each other, to not effect the chain.
I ran into this before, while realigning an engine and transmission. I didn't have any flanged head bolts, so I used washers. The washers fit up in the holes on the bottom of the transmission mounting bracket, but each time I tightened them, it pulled everything out of alignment. This made the belt run off the edge of the drive pulley.
Come to think of it, that other guy with his belt rubbing the frame, he may be out of alignment the other direction.
 

TapioK

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My -03 has always had a tendency for belt to move on reverse. If I align it perfectly with laser or from pivot point, it will rub the tire after about 9 feet of backing. I sure can find the compromise between belt moving too much and perfect alignment but it bothers me in principle. God knows how much my bike is off in how many places being the first... Prototype I suppose.
When I wake up in 8 hours I decide wether I go thru the trouble of dropping the shocks, loosening the tranny and engine bolts and see if I can align the power- and belt properly... sounds like a work... would I have the new shocks at hand I could at least replace those when I’m under the bike anyways...
 

TapioK

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Loosened the all the bolts on tranny and engine, couldn’t align powertrain much. How much can it move anyway, the holes for bolts are pretty tight. Got lazy and didn’t separate tranny and engine. Belt is still moving bit in on reverse. Figured since tranny misalignment is that way and movement is small I can live with it and had a beer.


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LUPHOLE

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the belt on my k-9 tends to migrate to the inside and come in contact with the tire. my transmission was off many miles ago for a bearing replacement under warranty. I was told that the schims may not have gone back on exactly the way they came off. while I would really like to address the problem, I have cheated a little on the alignment to keep the belt from being in contact with the tire all the time. I have also gone back to an avon tire since they seem to be a little more narrow than the metzler. just about ready to road test after working on things this winter.
I am interested in any suggestions to address the problem. thanks, chuck
 

Sven

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Remember, it's my way of thinking this out; if say I bought a basket case and knew jackshit about setting up a belt drive.
1. If I have adjuster screws on each side to push the axle back, I'd home the bolts and lock nut into the swingarm, frame, etc. I'd then count the flats and magic mark/nail polish a flat facing me, then find the other side of the flat, and paint that only half across the flat. I'd now count off both bolts evenly so they match each side coming close to the axle.
2. I then stop a few flats short of touching the axle. I have the axle loose enough so I can float the wheel back and forth in the slots. My count off flats are even on both sides, so I push the axle against the adjust bots and let it bounce off the bolts and let it sit where it rests. I then test how many flats touch each side of the axle. If both are even, one down, one to go.
3. I now step on the rear brake and let the loose axle find its square to the swing arm. I'm going to keep the brake on and shake the loose axle so it returns to its settled memory. I'm going to see if the axle spins without too much drag or no drag at all. If it spins or has minimal resistance I keep the brake on and now tighten the axle by hand. I then count my flats and see how well the square is as to how the thread holes are square to the homing of both adjuster bolts.
4. The belt can be on but loose as hell or send it off to the side and square the wheel without. It won't make a difference as long as the belt is super loose for the square work to the axle. So here is where I walk the axle back with the flats so the belt tightens at the trans sprocket. I back off the opposite adjust bolt to the brake disc. I then let the axle rest on the disc side of the adjust bolt. I step on the brake and tighten the axle, then adjust the other bolt up to the axle. And no, the adjust bolts do not hit the axle, I'm just eliminating said parts so you can imagine the bolts on the axle. Here is my square to the wheel to dics to swing arm. My rear belt sprocket is square as well. I now leave this alone.
5. The bolts to the trans are tight, but takes a good set of yanking to walk the trans in the slots or whatever slop I'm up against. My primary is loose ass a goose so the trans can free float. I now spin the back wheel and watch the belt find its neural position. It should have moved the trans in other words is how loose the trans needs to be. I'm going to X two trans bolts so this still can float some. I'm going to play the cocking game by spinning for a loose setting, spin with the trans fully cocked one way, then the other. Somehow, someway, the belt is going to walk in the center of the sprocket as you keep moving the rear wheel by hand. Note how the belt can influence the homing of square to square to square.
A. Square bolts to bolts.
B. Square axle to swing.
C. Square sprocket to sprocket.

Something like that.
 
the belt on my k-9 tends to migrate to the inside and come in contact with the tire. my transmission was off many miles ago for a bearing replacement under warranty. I was told that the schims may not have gone back on exactly the way they came off. while I would really like to address the problem, I have cheated a little on the alignment to keep the belt from being in contact with the tire all the time. I have also gone back to an avon tire since they seem to be a little more narrow than the metzler. just about ready to road test after working on things this winter.
I am interested in any suggestions to address the problem. thanks, chuck
Not sure what your addressing but I would recommend making sure the transmission is properly aligned. A mis Aligned transmission is not good and causes extra wear and tear on the drive train and will also effect the belt alignment.
The axle adjusters should be evenly spaced on both sides of you swing arm and belt adjusted within specs.
Also correct spacers and spacing of the wheels.
 
the belt on my k-9 tends to migrate to the inside and come in contact with the tire. my transmission was off many miles ago for a bearing replacement under warranty. I was told that the schims may not have gone back on exactly the way they came off. while I would really like to address the problem, I have cheated a little on the alignment to keep the belt from being in contact with the tire all the time. I have also gone back to an avon tire since they seem to be a little more narrow than the metzler. just about ready to road test after working on things this winter.
I am interested in any suggestions to address the problem. thanks, chuck
So my first question when the shop said the shims did not go back on exactly the way they came off I would have asked if the made sure the transmission was correctly aligned?
Not sure what you mean when you say you cheated on the alignment?
 
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