2009 EFI K9 all FUBAR'd Help!

[snypr]

So the original battery died. Took it out put in a new one. Turn the key on (no speedo light only headlight) pressed the Run button and turned the key off. Waited 30 seconds and turned key on. Speedo lit up with needle stuck straight up. Pressed run and pump didn't kick on. Turned key off and speedo back light and bike running lights stayed on.

Un hooked battery, waited 30 minutes, hooked it back up, reset procedures again with the same result. WTF?:angry:

 

[Diesel Dan]

Maybe check your Service manual.........There might be a service procedure in there for new battery installation,and how to Reset/Restore EHC Engine Values. Good Luck Buddy:2thumbs:........

 

[bpernie]

my 08 did the samethin found out i didn't get one wire back on the battery

 

[erldawg]

my 08 did the samethin found out i didn't get one wire back on the battery

I agree with bpernie recheck your connections. If my memory is good there should be 4 wires on the positive side and make sure the new batt has full charge and is a minimum 300cca's.

 

[BigDogBro1]

A new battery needs to be fully charged. Just because it's new doesn't mean it's charged.

Clean all the connectors with a brass or copper wire brush and place the heaviest wire gauge closest the battery terminals.

Make sure you always do the EFI RESET proceedure like you did.

 

[snypr]

I did charge the battery 24 hours prior to installing. The battery has 312 CCA. Have 4 wires on the ground and 6 on the positive. Checked my fuses and even replaced the relays for good measure (had spares from my 07 K9).

The thing that blows my mind is immediately when I re-attach the battery the EFI at the tank makes a clicking sound for about 15 seconds then stops. I then turn the key and everything appears normal until I perform reset procedures by pressing run and turn key off. Head light shuts off but running lights and speedo lights to include odometer reading stays on even though key is off. When I turn key back on and hit run no EFI running but bike will turn over on start but doesn't.

 

[erldawg]

Just a thought. One of those relays controls the fuel pump double check them I cannot remember if they are the same or not. You should hear the fuel pump running after you hit run button.

 

[ground pounder]

Check your 20 amp circuit breaker. It probably is tripped. It sends power to the fuel pump and sensors. If it did trip reset it start the bike and make sure your voltage regulator is working correctly. Hope this helps. Had a similar problem with my 2009 efi k-9. remember there is another circuit breaker next to the 20 amp one!!!

 

[BigDogBro1]

I did charge the battery 24 hours prior to installing. The battery has 312 CCA. Have 4 wires on the ground and 6 on the positive. Checked my fuses and even replaced the relays for good measure (had spares from my 07 K9).

The thing that blows my mind is immediately when I re-attach the battery the EFI at the tank makes a clicking sound for about 15 seconds then stops. I then turn the key and everything appears normal until I perform reset procedures by pressing run and turn key off. Head light shuts off but running lights and speedo lights to include odometer reading stays on even though key is off. When I turn key back on and hit run no EFI running but bike will turn over on start but doesn't.

Sounds like way too many wires on the battery terminals for a stock bike. What's been added? Disconnect ALL added crap and start fresh.

That clicking sound could be the IAC (Idle Air Controller) on the throttle body. They do that when the battery is connected.

 

[snypr]

So I gave in and called the old Big Dog dealer in Omaha and asked for assistance. After telling him the story he said to disconnect all plug to ECM and ECH and remove black protective covers and pack with dielectric grease reassemble and perform reset procedures. Did that......same problem. Called back and he said that it would need reprogrammed and that this was not an uncommon problem with 09 and 10 EFI bikes. So looks like I have to take my dog for a trailer ride and let him reprogram and see if that is really the issue or not.

 

[RCAdd1ct]

It might be worth calling S&S and see what they say. See if you can buy the computer software and reset it yourself.

 

[BigDogBro1]

So I gave in and called the old Big Dog dealer in Omaha and asked for assistance. After telling him the story he said to disconnect all plug to ECM and ECH and remove black protective covers and pack with dielectric grease reassemble and perform reset procedures. Did that......same problem. Called back and he said that it would need reprogrammed and that this was not an uncommon problem with 09 and 10 EFI bikes. So looks like I have to take my dog for a trailer ride and let him reprogram and see if that is really the issue or not.

Good Luck!

 

[tommy666]

push The Left Blinker Button And Hold It Turn The Key On It Will Take 6-10 Seconds For The EHC to Finish The Self Test If The EHC goes Straight To "Start Ready" State After The Test Then You Do Not Have EHC issues If IT Does Not Go To A Start Ready State Then Take note Of Which Lights Are Lit On The EHC and iF Any Physical Functions Are Running On The Bike Such As A Blinker That Is FlaShing Then Post That Info BackHere

 

[Jwooky]

"Called back and he said that it would need reprogrammed and that this was not an uncommon problem with 09 and 10 EFI bikes"

Does not sound right. "reprogrammed"?? reprogram what? Reprogram with what?

 

[snypr]

I have been away from home................so I talked to dealer again, he said the reprogramming was hooking it up to his computer and doing a flash to clear it then reload everything with the software program he has.

I haven't had time to trailer to another town so I did do the system check as suggested by pressing the left turn signal and turning the key on. It went right to start mode but EFI would not energize. Turned key off and the running lights in the front and rear turn signal housing and the speedo back light and the odometer stay on. Turn the key back on, press run, no EFI still.

When looking at the controller from the rear of the bike looking forward, the front LED on left bank that is Orange is lit, then on the right bank, the third LED back from the front that is Red is lit, next on the right bank is the last LED that is Orange is lit and directly to the left of it is a flashing Green LED.?????

 

[snypr]

Anyone got a link to a post on this forum for deciphering what the lights are on the ECH?

 

[pknowles]

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[BigDogBro1]

Not sure that a 2006 LED layout is the same for the newer 2009 EHCs.

Check the wire crimp connections on the smaller wires. They must be crimped tight so check them out and tug on them. Get yourself a 2009 Service Manual with the wiring diagram for an EFI bike and study it.

There are two relays (at least on my 2007 EFI) that control the power to the ECM/EFI module and more. If that relay contact is bad then not enough current/power will be available to run the ECM and freak it out. On my bike I can swap the two relays for testing. The other identical relay is used for the horn. Don't re-flash your EHC until you understand what is going on. That dealer could do damage to a good EHC. The S&S ECM is probably locked and cannot be reloaded, ever.

Your problem is more likely something simpler than one of the modules.

Your original post:
"So the original battery died. Took it out put in a new one. Turn the key on (no speedo light only headlight) pressed the Run button and turned the key off. Waited 30 seconds and turned key on. Speedo lit up with needle stuck straight up. Pressed run and pump didn't kick on. Turned key off and speedo back light and bike running lights stayed on."

No PUMP running means the relay is not being energized or not sending power to run the pump, ECM, the coil pack, O2 heaters and other essential engine stuff. The EHC tells this relay to turn on for two seconds (you can hear/feel it) when the RUN button is pressed to pressurize the EFI fuel rail then it shuts OFF. Then when you press the START button the relay kicks ON again continuously while the engine is told to RUN.

This is essential information and needs to be used to diagnose the problem.

Good Luck.

 

[snypr]

I appreciate the reach out..........the led map is different between the 2006 and 20009, as my blue light is at the end by the lead plugins for the harness. I swapped my relays, but maybe both are bad. Haven't been able to find a shop manual as of yet. After I try new relays I think I just may rewire with a wire plus setup as it is a lot cheaper than taking it to the dealer to trouble shoot. Thanks again.

 

[snypr]

Well the long saga has come to an end at last.............Turns out ignition switch was bad, which shorted the computer, which in return shorted (burned the black diodes) the tach board. So new ignition switch and computer were installed. Bike starts up and runs great......only problem is no running lights or tach. Need a new Tach Board. Does anyone know where can find one at? Thanks in advance for any help any of you may be able to offer.