Charging System Reading

FrankBDPS · Mar 6, 2016

What do you mean by choke on choke off?

woodbutcher · Mar 6, 2016

well, with what you post your at idle being 13.3 and your off idle being 14.02, sounds like the voltage regulator is doing it's job. also, the stator #'s look good.

FrankBDPS · Mar 6, 2016

Do you have a super g S&S carb?

FrankBDPS · Mar 7, 2016

Ok then, since you have the S&S carb the "choke" you are referring to is not a choke. In other words there is not a choke plate in the throat of you're carb like in let's say you're lawn mower carb.

It is called an enricher. It's purpose is to richen up the mixture if for example you're carb was tuned at sea level where the air is heavier and you went for a ride in the mountains where the air is thinner you can use it to richen up the mixture so you do not lean out the motor.

The correct starting procedure for you're motor is to twist the throttle two or three times before turning it over. This action causes the accelerator pump to squirt fuel into the throat af the carb and gives the motor some extra fuel for the initial start up.

Ride safe.

woodbutcher · Mar 7, 2016

with that being said, use the enrichener as little as possible or you will end up soaking the plugs. except in the altitude situation.

Dragonslave · Mar 7, 2016

Its an easy way to foul out your plugs.

Sven · Mar 7, 2016

FrankBDPS said:
It's purpose is to richen up the mixture if for example you're carb was tuned at sea level where the air is heavier

The enricher; is that a T-handle of a pull and twist to stay open, yes? That's choke for a cold engine start if say even up the mountains on a cold day is back to semi condensed air.

and you went for a ride in the mountains where the air is thinner you can use it to richen up the mixture

Think of what you said... I have more condensed air at sea level and need to match more gas with more air or the molecules are closer together. If I rise in elevation I have less air so I want less gas, not the choke on and wet the plugs with more gas upstairs; has less air molecules and you want to soak the plugs to the point of hydraulic locking the chamber kind of air here and air ain't dare? I dare you to hit the choke @ 7k feet. Try much less altitude with a carb sucking out more fuel to balance the ever closing valve neutralizes at 14.7 pee yes I said the chamber is back to 760mmHg is the same volume of air closing off, only less of it... And more gas filled that void to equal out to 1 atmosphere. So 14.7 sea and upstairs @ 14.7 Seeeeeeee????

I'd clean all my grounds that face bare metal is scrape back to bare metal are the cable faces, the new metal scrapped at the frame, the cable to the starter motor is razor or file-chaffed off some to make the motor receive the current, not some drag at the ground ends absorbing at some chemRe happening in the middle of those contact points.

If I get out my trusty 'Maggy and her fuck buddies is fuck you up with magnetism, heat happening at those cable grounds, the chemical reaction between those touch points... How close am I about breathing upstairs to my ChemRe action toys?

Sven · Mar 7, 2016

When the video slows down at the end, where does the needle hammer? The needle pins to 760mmHg/14.7/101.3/1 atm all mean the same atmosphere is only one number that is handcuffed to the vac of fuel pulled to how the processor is handcuffed to the ATMO and any backup defaults to a math'd 760mmHg number in binary is there is your base binary [backup] number if the VOES dies for example.

Lorenzo · Mar 7, 2016

FrankBDPS said:
Ok then, since you have the S&S carb the "choke" you are referring to is not a choke. In other words there is not a choke plate in the throat of you're carb like in let's say you're lawn mower carb.

It is called an enricher. It's purpose is to richen up the mixture if for example you're carb was tuned at sea level where the air is heavier and you went for a ride in the mountains where the air is thinner you can use it to richen up the mixture so you do not lean out the motor.

The correct starting procedure for you're motor is to twist the throttle two or three times before turning it over. This action causes the accelerator pump to squirt fuel into the throat af the carb and gives the motor some extra fuel for the initial start up.

Ride safe.

Well crap, I thought I had a Super G, I have a choke lever next to my air cleaner that I lift up before I start cold. so is mine the Super E?

Dragonslave · Mar 7, 2016

A picture would be nice of a closeup of your carb. We would be able to tell you what you have.

Lorenzo · Mar 7, 2016

Dragonslave said:
A picture would be nice of a closeup of your carb. We would be able to tell you what you have.

I'll have to wait til I get home. Mine seems more of a choke though just want to make sure.

Sven · Mar 7, 2016

Got some of it figured out. Trivia here I come is a swap meet pick me up and oh look; venturi bore size. So the photo shows two different part numbers at the throttle plate. Both E and G are same body casts, so a different bore at the big hole. And as far as the air cleaner gasket, that's one part number so both are the same on that end. The oring, throttle plate, and choke arm are who knows what numbers they correlate to, but close enough, they only lift, not adjust more like a low speed screw would and that taper. This lets raw fuel be sucked up once the plunger lifts off that hole. So the hole is the fixed flow.

From S&S:
"the Super B has a 17⁄8” (47.6mm)
throat at the butterfly and a 19⁄16” (39.6mm) venturi and is
identified by an “B” cast into the throttle return spring side of
the carb body below the cast in wording “S&S SUPER”."

So 67-582 is one part number, you both use the same choke [plunger] system for E and G.

FrankBDPS · Mar 7, 2016

Ok I will admit when I am wrong. S&S calls it a fast idle lever. Still not a choke but is to be used upon start up to bring the idle speed up for the first couple of minutes of run time. Page 16 and 17 of the S&S manual. I stand corrected.

Proves that not every thing you read on the Internet is true and old dogs can learn new tricks

Sorry for any confusion I have caused.

FrankBDPS · Mar 7, 2016

Sorry, I did not mean ti hijack you're thread. I think you're charging system numbers look good. Most guys keep their bikes on a battery tender to make up for the drain due to the electronics. Good luck and ride safe.

woodbutcher · Mar 8, 2016

you just need to take Sven with a grain of salt. there may be 5% of the people on here that understand him 25% of the time. :oldhardlaugh:

that's how he gets his kicks. but if you can understand him, he knows hishit. :old2:

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