What Would You Do?

Dispatch

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If the process for you to buy/order a new Big Dog required that you give your current trade bike to a purchasing dealer two months before your BD was ready, would you give them your trade with only a receipt and a promise from BD (the buying-dealer pays Big Dog for further credit to you)?
 
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TapioK

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Looks like the cash flow is bit slow... I do understand that with a small business. I also see how that feels pretty scary. You can’t find a built bike from floor ? Or you want it to be built to your specs?
I remember that futuristic looking K9 they custom built 2(?) years ago. It was for sale right after they built it... building a special bike and customer backing up hits hard. Does anyone else want a custom made to your specs... sure for a right price...
 

Ernie12

Active Member
If the dealer is well known and has been in business for a long while and will guarantee you a full refund , amount for trade in and 20% down you paid for new BD I would have no problem with it.
 

Dispatch

Member
Looks like the cash flow is bit slow... I do understand that with a small business. I also see how that feels pretty scary. You can’t find a built bike from floor ? Or you want it to be built to your specs?
I remember that futuristic looking K9 they custom built 2(?) years ago. It was for sale right after they built it... building a special bike and customer backing up hits hard. Does anyone else want a custom made to your specs... sure for a right price...
Yes, it must be extremely slow, the chopper market is flat, take for example this past Bike Week, there were almost no choppers to be seen around town.
 
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Ernie12

Active Member
Ok why cant you trade it in locally? Do you have to go through this dealer? Have you tried to see what Rumble On would give you for your bike?
 

Dispatch

Member
Ok why cant you trade it in locally? Do you have to go through this dealer? Have you tried to see what Rumble On would give you for your bike?
The buying dealer pays Big Dog for future credit to you, its supposed to minimize tax implications for you when you register the new motorcycle and provide proper chain-of-title.
 

Ernie12

Active Member
It must work different in Fla. than Ohio. It doesn't matter where I buy a bike as soon as I title it here it will cost me 7% of the cost of the bike plus title cost and plates. 35k for bike I would pay $2450 in tax alone.
 

Dispatch

Member
If the dealer is well known and has been in business for a long while and will guarantee you a full refund , amount for trade in and 20% down you paid for new BD I would have no problem with it.
I don't know how well known they are but we'll see.

I think it'll be fine, Big Dog is setting this up, like you say I don't think they'll have a problem with sort of written guarantee.

(Nice yard by the way)...
 
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TapioK

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When I bought my -03 from private guy, we negotiated the price for 3 months. Finally, a day before I left for Finland he took my offer. I had just seen the pics of bike and title. On my way to airport (mid May) I mailed the check and called him to send the papers to me and keep the bike in his garage. I promised to show up in September to pick up the bike it worked good, but hell wasn’t I nervous figured if he fucks me I start by burning his house .
Went there with my small roll bag, bike was all shiny and tank full of gas... off I took. Nice test ride from Wichita to Naples Via Dave, New Orleans, Panama city, Daytona... took me a while to get home and again thanks Dave and the whole crew, we fixed the rear lights, well I had a beer and watched mostly.
 

Dispatch

Member
What do you US guys call it, The Leap Of Faith?
Leap of faiths are all well and good but things like this need to be a calculated risk, estimated 'before' its undertaken.

Because stuff happens, an assurance is must.
 
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TapioK

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Leap of faiths are all well and good but something like this needs to be a calculated risk, estimated 'before' its undertaken.

Because stuff happens, there has to be a guarantee for me if it does, I can't/won't be left short changed.
You can calculate till the end of the day, at some point you have to decide either take the step or not. Leap of Faith.
Say BD goes Bankrupt while making your bike. You think you get your money back? Maybe dealer too, they don’t have cash either. Deals are deals and paper is paper. In worst case you get cents/dollar back.
Yet ppl are ording all kind of shit, boats, bikes and cars. Hell, houses too...
There is no 100% guarantee. Escrow account maybe.
As tou may see, I’m not very familiar with US law. European is more familiar to me...
 

Dispatch

Member
You can calculate till the end of the day, at some point you have to decide either take the step or not. Leap of Faith.
Say BD goes Bankrupt while making your bike. You think you get your money back? Maybe dealer too, they don’t have cash either. Deals are deals and paper is paper. In worst case you get cents/dollar back.
Yet ppl are ording all kind of shit, boats, bikes and cars. Hell, houses too...
There is no 100% guarantee. Escrow account maybe.
As tou may see, I’m not very familiar with US law. European is more familiar to me...
I know, and you're right but I've been burnt before.

We are creatures of habit, any bike I ever bought new before I traded it toward the new bike at the dealership I was buying it from, then made the difference up in cash right then and there, the 'out the door' price, then I took possession of the new bike.

But the question here is this... 'what would you do' ?

Any other ideas that might make this work?
 
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TapioK

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I know, and you're right but I've been burnt before and I don't like that old sinking feeling telling you something isn't right about this.

Any bike I ever bought new before I traded it toward the new bike at the dealership I was buying it from, then made the difference up in cash right then and there, the 'out the door' price, then I took possession of the new bike.

The problem here is BD has no showroom or ready made bikes or even independent dealerships with BD bikes, this is where all the trouble originates from.

But the question here is this... 'what would you do' ?

Any other ideas that might make this work?
I think I have seen new Dogs for sale on some sites, cycle trader or something...
 

TapioK

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But the bigger question I have for you is, why the hell can't we get our hands on that magnificent Finland made, 'Lapua' AK-47 ammo anymore?!
They do make them. Hell they should, our army uses our upgraded version of AK47...

And looks they are available in US too...
When I was in army I had one of these though 7.62x53R. Heck, I still have one back home. Just in case it’s like 80 years old though

My biggest regret is I sold my Colt 1911 government. It was so called Murmansk Patallion(?) gun. Made in USA, but all the texts were in Russian... grandfather brought it back from war.
 
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Dispatch

Member
They do make them. Hell they should, our army uses our upgraded version of AK47...

And looks they are available in US too...
When I was in army I had one of these though 7.62x53R. Heck, I still have one back home. Just in case it’s like 80 years old though

My biggest regret is I sold my Colt 1911 government. It was so called Murmansk Patallion(?) gun. Made in USA, but all the texts were in Russian... grandfather brought it back from war.
That's old stock, Lapua doesn't make ammo for the ak-47 anymore, at least not for the commercial market.

That's a sweet rifle but nothing says WW2 quality better than the Swiss made K31...
 
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