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WHAT TO DO IF THE STARTER WON'T TURN

Discussion in 'How-To' started by Moespeeds, Mar 24, 2011.

  1. Moespeeds

    Moespeeds Well-Known Member

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    I happen to have a shiny new Ultima 2kw starter on my desk today, and lots of time to fuck off so I'll do a quick how-to. My Ipod charger will be standing in for a jumper wire.

    So you try to start your Big Dog, and nothing happens, or maybe you hear a click, or a lot of clicks, or maybe it just grinds. If you're at home, you run to the computer and ask the question on a forum, but what if you're out riding, or in the middle of nowhere? Everyone should practice push starting their bike, just to get a feel for it, but here's some things you can do to get it to turn.

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    First some fast diagnostics. There is a little green wire with a blade connector going to a plastic plug on the top of the starter. If you have a voltage tester handy, pull that wire and test it for 12v when you hit the starter button. If you don't get any juice, or get a strange or low reading, then your problem is most likely further up the line. Dead battery, bad start button, bad EHC or relay. If you do get 12v, read on. While you have it pulled, press the start button again and listen at the compression releases on top of the motor, they should both click. On earlier models they will stay open as long as the start button is held, on later models they automatically release after a second or two.

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    First make sure your fat black ground wire is still attached up at the upper mounting bolt. Sometimes these break off.

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    The starter has a solenoid, and when you send a 12v signal to it, it pulls in a plunger type switch that opens a direct connection to the battery positive, giving the motor the battery's full cranking amps. This starter has a "slam button" on it, that allows you to manually force the plunger to make the connection. Everyone should have one of these, but I've never seen one that fits a DSSC starter.

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    If you are stuck somewhere, and want to force that starter to turn, just take off the 3 bolts on the cover and shove that plunger in. You can use your thumb, but I prefer the handle of a screwdriver. If the contacts are all in place, and the starter has a good connection to +/- on the battery, and the battery is good, and there isn't something physically jammed in the jackshaft, it will have no choice but to turn.

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    Alternatively, if you don't want to open up the starter, you can get the same result by jumping the two big lugs on the outside. Pull back the boots and use a piece of thick wire, 4ga is best, but I've done it with 6ga. You can use a screwdriver, but don't be timid or you may weld it to the contacts. You may have to bend the screwdriver to keep it from hitting the starter housing. Whatever you use, strap a set on and do it with conviction, don't be ginger. You've got around 300 amps flowing, and if the wire pops off or bounces around, you will end up with little arc strikes all over your shiny chrome. It's good to keep a piece of 4 or 6 ga wire in your toolkit for this purpose.

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    It's a good idea to open your starter up every season and clean those contacts up with some sandpaper. There is a thread on it somewhere here.

    If your starter just grinds or whines, it's something mechanical at the jackshaft end. Make sure your mounting bolts are tight and in place. Next is to look inside the primary. I've seen a few jackshafts break off and found the gear laying in the bottom of the primary. Could also be that the gear stripped or the ring gear on the clutch basket stripped. Either way, before you just shove a new part in there, find the cause. Whether it's a loose clutch hub bolt, bad starter alignment, bad transmission shim, etc. Find the cause for the failure before you ruin another good part.
     
    #1 Moespeeds, Mar 24, 2011
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    Excellent write up Moe..:2thumbs:
     
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    Thanks, now I have something to cut and paste. I'm gonna keep it in my phone!
     
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    Moe,
    I have a push button on my starter housing on my 07 Bulldog with the DSSC.
    I put it on last year and ordered it from a thread on here somewhere.
    I will post a pic later and the info if I can find it....
    Another piece of mind in a pinch..
    Neil
     
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    Great information to have, Thanks.:2thumbs:
     
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    Damn Nomad, I was gonna knock one out on my mill when I got the time and sell them to all my friends. You just pissed in my rice. Post the link if you can find it please.
     
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    Nice write up Moe.....:2thumbs:


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    Starter Won`t Turn

    Moe that was an outstanding how to; Thanks a lot!

    Tom Chop :choppersmiley:
     
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    Awesome info. Thank you very much for taking the time to post it.
     
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    :2thumbs:Damn you're good - This is excellent info:2thumbs:
     
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    Great info here. Thanks Moe. I've got a starter going out on the KW right now. About every 20 times or so I go to start and nothing but a click. I have to have someone hold the key over while I hit the starter with a hammer. It works but don't think I'd want to do it with the Dog.
     
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    Great post Moe!:2thumbs::cheers:
     
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    Nice Moe :2thumbs:
     
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    one thing you might add is if your jackshaft is broken off don't push start it till you get it out cause its loose in the primary and can get hung up,just my 2cents,great write up about it,thanks
     
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    Excellent write up Moe. Thanks for taking the time. Love the improvising with the phone cord jack.
     
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    Sorry about that Moe. I did this conversion a while back when I shattered a couple of starters. Due to the location of the starter, one damn be sure the bike is out of gear.....:D
    I will search for the link to the end plate as well.....
    Brings a new meaning to Yellow Rice too.....
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    Moe, this is not where I purchased it from but it covers our starters...
    http://www.phatperformanceparts.com/Spyke_Solenoid_End_Cover_Starter_Button_1_0_2_0_p/400217.htm


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