E-15 Increase Ethanol in Gasoline

[Mickeetwo]

Anybody run across E-15 gas yet. Bike Week had a article on how it was bad for our motors. Does the higher octane gas such as 91 or 93 octane have ethanol in it? Heres the article

EPA Ruling to Increase Ethanol in Gasoline May Hurt Motorcycles
Although the season for bike rallies and events may be almost over, keep in mind as you are riding out on your next trip to look carefully at the gas pump to read any labels for E15 gasoline before refueling your bike. The E15 gas has 15% ethanol, which can cause premature engine damage and void your manufacturers warranty. This gasoline is not intended for motorcycle engines but will be at pumps anytime, now that the ruling is in place. Be sure to check the pump first, as you do not want to put this into your motorcycle, boat, or other small engines, like lawn mowers or leaf blowers.

The gasoline blend is being fought by the AMA (American Motorcyclists Association) on the grounds that gasoline in the marketplace should not be potentially harmful to engines. The EPA has proposed marking the pumps for car models 2007 and newer to prevent consumers for mistaking the gasoline.

The EPA is doing additional tests to see if it is safe to add E15 to models from 2001 to 2006. The ruling to allow up to a 15% ethanol blend for gasoline is to work toward the congressional mandate to use more renewable energies.

It's understandable to work toward renewable energy sources, but using something that harms consumer engines and causes more potential damage than the 10% blend just creates other environmental concerns, and growing corn isn't exactly good for the environment unless done sustainably. Why can't we use more windmills and solar technology? This seems to be a band-aid approach from politicians to meeting the congressional mandates to use more renewable energies.

[narow37]

Originally Posted by Mickeetwo

Does the higher octane gas such as 91 or 93 octane have ethanol in it?

yes it still has ethanol in it.

[Iman]

i usually fill up at non ethonal gas stations whenever possible. google non ethanol gas stations and put in your state and it should list all stations that do not put ethanol in their gas

[PROFLYER]

^me too, both bikes run much better. Autos don't seem to notice a difference but I do in the bikes. They're everywhere in CO.

[bdmridgeback]

I don't think that they have passed anything yet to allow E-15 sale.
I think it is getting shot down.

[alhall88]

We are currently testing valve seat materials at work for E22 and E100 fuels.

[toodie]

Ethanol-free gas stations in the U.S. and Canada

[K9Anniv]

I would hope S&S factored all the gasoline variations in when they designed/manufactured our engines.

[GKC]

Not meaning to derail the E-15 subject, but concerning E-10.....

Check with your state regulations concerning labeling of pumps at gas stations. Some states require it, some don't. For example, Virginia requires a label on the pump if it dispenses E-10, North Carolina doesn't. Check your state regs so you know what the deal is and what you're buying.

I'm fortunate to have a non-ethanol station about 10 minutes from the house. Took a trip out of state last weekend in a 2003 Acura 3.2. Had filled up with non-ethanol before leaving town. Drove 300 miles one way. Got 30 miles to the gallon. Had to use E-10 on the return trip. Got 28 miles to the gallon. Newer cars run ok on it, but I've got '95 Silverado with a 350 V/8 that can't get out of it's own way with the E-10 in it. I don't run the crap in the Dog.

What I don't agree with is the government mandating this crap. The public should have a choice. Not trying to add a political tone to this, but gotta call a spade a spade.

[f-okie]

I talked with Glick Brent at S&S. This is what he told me:"It will not be harmful to your engine, any engine that is tuned
correctly and serviced properly should be fine. We have not experienced
any failures due to Ethanol in the fuel."
I guess you can take for what it's worth. If anyone should know, I think they should.

[BigDogBro1]

Sure...........the engine will run fine.

Yea right....if all the plastics, rubber and other materials don't rot away or corrode in the fuel system. The higher the ethanol alcohol percentage the more corrosive the fuel becomes.

It takes 1 1/2 times the amount of E85 ethanol alcohol to get the same amount of power as gasoline. Why we continue to use this junk is beyond me other than it's purely political.

Ethanol-blended fuel compared to gasoline that has MTBE as an oxygenator is less stable and can cause reduced performance.

Ethanol is hygroscopic (it has an attraction for water) and will more readily mix with water than with gasoline. It has different solvency behaviors than does gasoline, which allows it to loosen rust and debris that might lay undisturbed in fuel systems. It can more readily remove plasticizers and resins from certain plastic materials that might not be affected by gasoline alone. Loose debris will plug filters and can interfere with engine operation. Additionally, ethanol is corrosive to some metals, especially in combination with water. Although gasoline does not conduct electricity well, ethanol has an appreciable capability to conduct electricity and therefore can promote galvanic corrosion.


Top Ten Facts about Ethanol http://www.calgasoline.com/facttopten.htm

1. Ethanol is listed as a known human carcinogen by the International Agency for Research on Cancer.


2. The cost of Reformulated Gasoline with ethanol will increase 3-6 cents per gallons compared to RFG with MTBE.


3. Spills of pure ethanol or gasoline containing ethanol from leaking storage tanks can create a benzene plume up to 150% larger than a spill from a non-ethanol fuel.


4. Ethanol cannot be shipped by pipeline because of its high affinity for water posing significant distribution costs and hurdles for gasoline blenders.


5. According to a study by Cornell University, for every gallon of ethanol produced, 1.4 gallons of energy is consumed in the process, compared to 0.15 gallons used in the manufacture of gasoline.


6. It takes 1.5 gallons of ethanol (E-85) to drive as many miles as one gallon of gasoline.


7. Every gallon of ethanol removes 53 cents from the Federal Highway Trust Fund because of a special tax break for producers.


8. Ethanol increases the vapor pressure of gasoline by 1 psi. resulting in higher evaporative emissions of Volatile Organic Compounds, while tailpipe emissions of Acetaldehyde increase 150%.


9. Ethanol permeates the hoses and lines of automobile fuel systems resulting in a 50% increase in VOC emissions for pre 1995 cars.


10. Ethanol dissolves oxide scale from the walls of pipes and tanks, subjecting the systems to internal corrosion, which leads to leaks.

I'm just saying!

[Five Five]

Originally Posted by BigDogBro1

Sure...........the engine will run fine.

Yea right....if all the plastics, rubber and other materials don't rot away or corrode in the fuel system. The higher the ethanol alcohol percentage the more corrosive the fuel becomes.

It takes 1 1/2 times the amount of E85 ethanol alcohol to get the same amount of power as gasoline. Why we continue to use this junk is beyond me other than it's purely political.

Ethanol-blended fuel compared to gasoline that has MTBE as an oxygenator is less stable and can cause reduced performance.

Ethanol is hygroscopic (it has an attraction for water) and will more readily mix with water than with gasoline. It has different solvency behaviors than does gasoline, which allows it to loosen rust and debris that might lay undisturbed in fuel systems. It can more readily remove plasticizers and resins from certain plastic materials that might not be affected by gasoline alone. Loose debris will plug filters and can interfere with engine operation. Additionally, ethanol is corrosive to some metals, especially in combination with water. Although gasoline does not conduct electricity well, ethanol has an appreciable capability to conduct electricity and therefore can promote galvanic corrosion.


Top Ten Facts about Ethanol Top Ten Facts about Ethanol

1. Ethanol is listed as a known human carcinogen by the International Agency for Research on Cancer.


2. The cost of Reformulated Gasoline with ethanol will increase 3-6 cents per gallons compared to RFG with MTBE.


3. Spills of pure ethanol or gasoline containing ethanol from leaking storage tanks can create a benzene plume up to 150% larger than a spill from a non-ethanol fuel.


4. Ethanol cannot be shipped by pipeline because of its high affinity for water posing significant distribution costs and hurdles for gasoline blenders.


5. According to a study by Cornell University, for every gallon of ethanol produced, 1.4 gallons of energy is consumed in the process, compared to 0.15 gallons used in the manufacture of gasoline.


6. It takes 1.5 gallons of ethanol (E-85) to drive as many miles as one gallon of gasoline.


7. Every gallon of ethanol removes 53 cents from the Federal Highway Trust Fund because of a special tax break for producers.


8. Ethanol increases the vapor pressure of gasoline by 1 psi. resulting in higher evaporative emissions of Volatile Organic Compounds, while tailpipe emissions of Acetaldehyde increase 150%.


9. Ethanol permeates the hoses and lines of automobile fuel systems resulting in a 50% increase in VOC emissions for pre 1995 cars.


10. Ethanol dissolves oxide scale from the walls of pipes and tanks, subjecting the systems to internal corrosion, which leads to leaks.

I'm just saying!

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